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[Herb Sevush] “You mean this is the way you cut 5 camera multicam shoots for half hour shows? Or is this the way you cut a five minute talking head with 2 cameras?”
Either Herb.
Especially if 2 of those 5 cameras were Gopros with no TC. Or the other 3 were off by just a few frames
(off is off : )I couldn’t select cameras on the fly as fast but I could sync faster. The selecting of camera is the fun and creative part. Syncing was nuts and bolts.
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[Andrew Kimery] “Look, I know you and Bill are used to dealing with annoying naysayers”
That doesn’t bother me Andrew, I want the program to be better. They improved Multicam and it’s even better.
I don’t know if they added because of people slamming, but maybe.I’m not really guessing your workflow, I’m saying on this specific feature it worked for some and didn’t for others.
I used it for Multicam because I liked that it could sync faster than I could. I couldn’t cut on the fly, but with cameras with no TC it could sync in a snap. That wouldn’t change for me if I did those shoots every day.
I was on shoots when people were using clap boards. We all were. I had that clap board app on my phone.
I stopped using it.
It wasn’t a work around. They built the ability to sync through sound into X on purpose.
You couldn’t select on the fly as fast but you could sync faster. If anything it was a wash.
For me the edge went to syncing faster because that part wasn’t as fun or creative.When I explain why I do something it may seem like I’m saying “you should make the same choice”
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[Tony West] “I couldn’t select cameras on the fly as fast but I could sync faster.”
If your talking about syncing by waveforms you could easily do that the moment Plural Eyes came out, which I used with FCP7 before X was born. But of course in that situation I actually could use FCP7 to see all five angles simultaneoulsy.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “If your talking about syncing by waveforms you could easily do that the moment Plural Eyes came out”
But you couldn’t use Plural Eyes with FCPX because there was no XML out!
:0)
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[Tony West] “Especially if 2 of those 5 cameras were Gopros with no TC. Or the other 3 were off by just a few frames
(off is off : )”But there’s always that one GoPro that’s positioned in such away that it doesn’t get usable audio and we’re left trying to find an obvious visual landmark like a camera flash or car door slamming… production never runs out of new ways to make life harder in post. 😉
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[Herb Sevush] “If your talking about syncing by waveforms you could easily do that the moment Plural Eyes came out, which I used with FCP7 before X was born. But of course in that situation I actually could use FCP7 to see all five angles simultaneoulsy.”
I didn’t have Plural Eyes back then.
But even if I had, I still would have moved to X because it was a 64 bit program and had other tools that 7 didn’t have.
Now I have all those tools plus the angles.
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[Andrew Kimery] ” production never runs out of new ways to make life harder in post. ;)”
We agree there Andrew : )
For the most part it was very good at it. I’m surprised at how good it can sync even with pretty bad audio.
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The trouble with syncing by waveforms is that a lot of cameras record audio with an offset and are natively out of sync. Especially DSLRs. A clapstick is still the most accurate, with common timecode coming in second.
Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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I havn’t had many problems with the waveforms so far but I will change course if I do.
I just did a shoot with my F3 and the client’s 5d as a b-camera but I didn’t cut it.
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[Oliver Peters] “The trouble with syncing by waveforms is that a lot of cameras record audio with an offset and are natively out of sync. Especially DSLRs. A clapstick is still the most accurate, with common timecode coming in second.”
Isn’t syncing via a clapstick still susceptible to offset as well? PPro can account for the offset (don’t know about X). Even if the cameras don’t all have the same offset it’s simple enough to nudge a frame here or there since the offset on each camera should be consistent.
Like Tony w/X, I’ve found the syncing by waveforms in PPro to be a huge boon to my workflow. Doing mainly doc/unscripted work these days I rarely have a slate and keeping TC in sync is hit or miss depending on the crew (and that’s assuming all the cameras can take TC). Many times I’ll select an entire day’s shoot (in excess of 100 clips) and let PPro do it’s thing. There’s some clean up to do but it’s still way faster than doing it by hand in Avid or FCP Legend (which I’ve a lot of as well).
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