10.06 On Apple’s Website Now

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Oliver Peters] “I’ll agree that the design, as currently implemented, has had unintended consequences.”

So you’re saying Apple didn’t mean to do this?

I’d disagree. The ranges work exactly like they did before. If a range is marked on a clip and you tag it with something (keyword, favorite, whatever) only the range is tagged.

[Sandeep Sajeev]

I totally agree with you Jeremy. This affects the way I work too.

I thnk if Apple had designed it such that the PiOP’s were deactivated (still visible, but not actionable without a keystroke to turn them back on) it would have been better.

And not showing the PIOP’S in list view is folly. X is tracking them, so why not show them? Forcing us to use the filmstrip view is a problem on a single monitor set up – the new iMac’s for example – in Events with a fair amount of footage. Legacy showed you when clips had I/O set in the Browser, and it was instantly visible.

I can see why this was such a flashpoint with the development team.

[Sandeep Sajeev]

Is there a way to select a bunch of clips and clear their PIOP’S ? Or does this have to be done on a per clip basis ?

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Sandeep Sajeev] “Is there a way to select a bunch of clips and clear their PIOP’S ? Or does this have to be done on a per clip basis ?”

You can.

There’s a “Clear Selected Ranges” command (option-x, just like clear in/out in Legend).

This also allows you to select different ranges on one clip and clear only the selected ones leaving behind what you want.

Jeremy

[Alban Egger]

[Jeremy Garchow] “Let’s say two weeks from now client calls and needs changes. All of the clips from one keyword collection in my timeline have failed legal due to lost name and likeness releases, and I need to reedit the piece to get rid of one location.

I take all the clips in the Event that have failed legal, and reject them.

But, since there’s PIOPs, only the PIOP range gets rejected, not the entire clip, so when I go to hide rejected, only the PIOP ranges disappear instead of whole clips.”

Select a clip and type “X” and the whole clip is selected and ready to be rejected. If you have a lot of those spread over the place I understand this could be a problem, but I cannot remember any project I ever had with this being an issue, that wouldn´t have been solved by the keywording I did beforehand. And even if, the benefits of having Favorites AND ranges far outweigh this singular issue IMO.

[James Ewart]

Pardon me fr being thick..what is PIOP?

[Oliver Peters]

[James Ewart] “Pardon me fr being thick..what is PIOP?”

Persistent In and Out Points

– Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com

[Steve Connor]

[James Ewart] “Pardon me fr being thick..what is PIOP?”

Do a forum search, grab yourself a LARGE coffee and enjoy the many pages of discussion on the subject.

Steve Connor
‘It’s just my opinion, with an occasional fact thrown in for good measure”

[Jeremy Garchow]

[alban egger] “Select a clip and type “X” and the whole clip is selected and ready to be rejected.”

I can select all clips and hit option-x and clear all ranges.

It’s an extra step that is unnecessary.

[alban egger] “, but I cannot remember any project I ever had with this being an issue, that wouldn´t have been solved by the keywording I did beforehand.”

That’s the thing. I keyword before hand but often during an edit, I’ll create new and rather temporary collections.

For instance, if I want to find very instance of “JoeBlow” and tag those because the client wants to see all
Of Joe’s footage, I can’t just type JoeBlow and tag them all. It will only tag the PIOPs unless I remember to clear all PIOPs. But what if I was using PIOPs to organize? So now, I can’t keyboard what I want, or in have to destroy my PIOP organization.

This new method sucks, but Apple gave people exactly what they wanted simply becuae people refused to use and learn the rather good and flexible methods the software already had in place.

It’s frustrating for me as I really really liked how the Event Browser worked. It is now much slower and less accurate for me.

[alban egger] “And even if, the benefits of having Favorites AND ranges far outweigh this singular issue IMO.”

I know you kniw this software well, but don’t you see that Favorites ARE ranges?

Jeremy

[Craig Seeman]

[James Ewart] “Pardon me fr being thick..what is PIOP?”

It’s something editors develop over time. Kind of like Carpal’s Tunnel Syndrome. It’s a repetitive stress disease. The symptom, as expressed in editors, is Persistent In and Out Points such that one moves away with keyboard command or mouse, one expects the previously marked In and Out Points to remain marked.