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  • Jeremy Garchow

    October 7, 2016 at 5:09 pm

    Sorry, not TB2, but thunderbolt in general.

  • Michael Gissing

    October 8, 2016 at 1:18 am

    [Jeremy Garchow] “The cart is a little before the horse. It happened with TB2 as well.”

    Actually the format is the horse. Waiting for people to develop the cart.

    Lacie have a Porche hard drive with USB-C
    https://www.lacie.com/as/en/personal/porsche-design/porsche-design-desktop-drive/
    TB3 Hard drive enclosures
    https://thunderbolttechnology.net/product/akitio-thunder3-quad

    USB-C is ahead of TB3 for sure but for me the obvious thing was to buy a MOBO that had the USB-C TB3 connector, even if it was to be able to plug in TB2 devices via and adaptor. My card reader for CFast2.0 is TB2 and editors bring in drives that are USB3 or TB2. Having the next gen connector with backward compatibility was important to me when choosing my new MOBO.

    It always happens this way. I would be very wary of buying a computer that didn’t have this next gen connector. If Apple want to sell editing computers they need to have this connector and support both USB-C and TB3.

    And to add, Blackmagics Terranex converters have USB-C and the latest Ultrastudio 4K extreme 3 has TB3 – https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/ultrastudiothunderbolt Check the video half way down the page….giddy up

  • Joe Marler

    October 8, 2016 at 1:51 pm

    [Scott Thomas] “One idea is that Apple will go with an AMD SOC (System on a Chip)
    https://daringfireball.net/linked/2016/08/26/amd-soc

    Apple is developing their own ARM based CPUs at a breakneck pace. What if they got Intel to fabricate them in their foundries?
    https://daringfireball.net/linked/2016/08/26/intel-arm….Maybe we are going to see Mac move to ARM, if the history is any guidepost?”

    There has been informed commentary about ARM-based Macs. However there’s also been lots of wild speculation based on misunderstood reports, like iPhone 7 Geekbench performance is faster than one core of a 12-core nMP. In fact the multicore performance of my iPhone 7 is slower than my 7-year old Windows PC with a six-generation-old four-core i7-875K. My 2015 iMac 27 with a 4Ghz i7-6700K has 3x the multicore Geekbench performance of my iPhone 7. It is amazing the iPhone 7 is that fast but it is still a lot slower on real world multithreaded workloads than a seven-year-old PC.

    When you are starting from lower performance (like ARM), it is easy to make big gains. Intel experienced that decades ago. Those gains cannot continue whether ARM or x86. You encounter fundamental architectural issues with superscalar instruction decoding, leakage current and fabrication. ARM (including the Apple-specific ARM designs) is making more rapid progress because their performance is lower so they haven’t yet reached that point of diminishing performance. When they do their performance gains will probably taper off, just like Intel.

    If you were willing to give up Windows compatibility, an ARM-type CPU could (performance wise) replace the x86 in lower-end Macs. I’m sure Apple is evaluating that. It would fragment the product line, creating x86 and ARM-based Macs. It would greatly reduce the software catalog for ARM-based Macs. They would essentially be like the now-defunct Windows RT — a special version of macOS for ARM for which there are few apps. Apple might judge the tradeoffs as worthwhile but I doubt it.

    But this thread is about the Mac Pro, and I don’t see any conceivable way ARM could compete with Intel up in the Xeon performance space.

    An alternate approach is maintain x86 compatibility by partnering with AMD and Apple taking over their own line of x86 CPUs, similar to how they did with ARM. That is slightly more conceivable, but the gap from AMD’s projected performance to Intel’s Xeon performance is huge.

    Based on Intel announcements, rumors and leaks, we expect significant Xeon upgrades in the relatively near future, including possibly on-chip programmable FPGAs. These could theoretically be reprogrammed by developers to execute application specific logic in hardware, e.g, maybe video encoding. It is conceivable the Mac Pro delays are to sync up Intel’s upcoming products with an updated Mac Pro design, plus of course the new 14/16nm GPU technology which only recently became available. Then there is Thunderbolt 3, USB-C, updated 4k monitors, etc. The production-quantity availability of all those items must converge within a specific timeframe to make possible a new workstation.

  • Darren Roark

    October 9, 2016 at 8:51 pm

    [Kevin Johnson] “my coworkers year old macpro “

    What are the specs on it?

  • Scott Thomas

    October 19, 2016 at 6:32 am
  • Steve Connor

    October 19, 2016 at 4:52 pm

    [Scott Thomas] “Better late than never?

    RECODE: Apple plans to launch new Macs at an October 27 event”

    So new Macs and 10.3 next week then?, it will be nice to have something new to talk about here

  • Andrew Kimery

    October 19, 2016 at 6:22 pm

    Credit card is out. Daddy needs a new MBP.

  • Steve Connor

    October 19, 2016 at 10:07 pm
  • Andrew Kimery

    October 19, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    New Macs. New OS. New version of X (10.3). So who thinks FCPX 10.3 will require MacOS Sierra in order to run?

  • Darren Roark

    October 20, 2016 at 12:47 am

    The only time you had to update to the newest OS was 10.1 no?

    I remember that had to do with the change over to libraries.

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