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[Bill Davis] “Herb, don’t I recall that you’re the guy who was all bent out of shape because it took TWO separate keystroke operations rather than one – for some X operations? Or was that someone else?”
Someone else.
[Bill Davis] “so it’s pretty amazing that when a competing program requires one to LEAVE the timeline entirely and go back to the desktop to accomplish something like sharing that even MSWord does from within the program – that should suddenly be considered “no big deal.””
Well I think I should apologize here Bill. If your workflow has you doing this multiple times a day, every day, then I guess the time savings would be significant. I only export and upload a few times a week, so I was being myopic.
On the other hand your constant use of phrases like “connected” and “disconnected files” leads most folks to think that X has some metadata connection to the posted output file – something like the dynamic link between PPro and AE, or the way an updated Motion file gets reflected in a Legacy timeline, when no such thing is going on. Your file output is no more connected in X than in Legacy, there is no automatic feedback between the posted file and your NLE, there is no ongoing metadata exchange, there is the simple ease of posting from within X, and if you described it that way you would get less negativity.
But your right, a time saving is nothing to sneeze at.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Bill Davis] “Because that’s what X does. “
So what? I mean really. Its got a link built in. So what? It just blows my mind the way you harp on this tiny, extremely limited convenience. IF you use Vimeo, its about one or two clicks less. If you use something that’s not supported, like your client’s ftp site, its worthless. I don’t get it.
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[Chris Harlan] “So what? I mean really. Its got a link built in. So what? It just blows my mind the way you harp on this tiny, extremely limited convenience. IF you use Vimeo, its about one or two clicks less. If you use something that’s not supported, like your client’s ftp site, its worthless. I don’t get it.”
Sorry, but I don’t find something that makes my work easier to be “tiny” nor “extremely limited” – particularly since the Vimeo Share in X allows direct access to and creation of keyword metadata INSIDE the Share interface itself.
You keep dissing the program, but continue to appear to miss-understand what you’re dissing.
I’m not saying the Share part of X is the holy grail. It’s just one small part of the total re-build that works with every other part of the re-build to make it an easier and more convenient way to work with file based video in an increasingly file based world.
And to argue that it just as difficult to do FTP transfers in X as in anything else, is just weird.
Honestly, if I NEVER have to launch Filezilla or Fetch ever again, I will consider my life to be infinitely improved.
FTP was lovely technology – in the mid-1990s. It’s well past time to move on.
I know there are people who still have to do FTP. Just like there are still people who have to take hours to burn their videos onto plastic discs. But the moment they find they don’t have to do that any longer, they should emit a huge sigh of relief, understanding how lame that process was compared to the orders of magnitude easier video distribution systems that have already been in common use today.
I still own a box of LPs – and a box or two of VHS tapes – and a shelf of CDs – and its nice and nostalgic to see them and remember the past.
But today X lets me get a great looking file from my desktop to my client’s computers and pads and smart phones in 1/100th the time. And lets me launch and update what feels to me like my array of projects which remain connected to my own distribution pipeline (my Share Menu) for updates or revisions should that be required.
Feels a lot like progress to me.
YMMV.
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[Bill Davis] “But today X lets me get a great looking file from my desktop to my client’s computers and pads and smart phones in 1/100th the time.”
Does it sync with Dropbox?
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[Bill Davis] “You keep dissing the program,”
Not true. You keep saying that. Over and over. But that doesn’t make it so. Calling Avid something like “Avoid” is dissing a program. I’ve shown lots of respect for X. It simply doesn’t suit my current needs, which you see as dissing.
[Bill Davis] “but continue to appear to miss-understand what you’re dissing.”
It’s an f’ing link, right? Is it more? Am I somehow misunderstanding it? What magic am I missing?
[Bill Davis] “I’m not saying the Share part of X is the holy grail.”
Well you kind of do. Several times in this very response, as it happens.
[Bill Davis] “And to argue that it just as difficult to do FTP transfers in X as in anything else, is just weird. “
Why? The vast majority of my deliveries are some sort of ftp transfer, even if they are in the guise of a drop box or a simple link. I haven’t looked at it specifically, but my guess is that Vimeo is gussied up and disguised FTP transfer. Most things like it are. You are aware, aren’t you, that FTP stands for File Transfer Protocol and is part of the basic structure of the Internet. Most upload or download utilities over a TCP/IP network are based on or derivative of FTP.
[Bill Davis] “Honestly, if I NEVER have to launch Filezilla or Fetch ever again, I will consider my life to be infinitely improved.
FTP was lovely technology – in the mid-1990s. It’s well past time to move on.
“That is such a joke. Tell that to almost any IT department and they will laugh you out of the building.
[Bill Davis] “I know there are people who still have to do FTP. Just like there are still people who have to take hours to burn their videos onto plastic discs. But the moment they find they don’t have to do that any longer, they should emit a huge sigh of relief, understanding how lame that process was compared to the orders of magnitude easier video distribution systems that have already been in common use today.”
Man, you live on a very tiny island. So clicking a link is “orders of magnitude easier” than dropping and dragging a file? Unreal.
[Bill Davis] “I still own a box of LPs – and a box or two of VHS tapes – and a shelf of CDs – and its nice and nostalgic to see them and remember the past.”
ROTFL Yes, the difference between dragging that file to a drop box instead of clicking on a link is SO much like the difference between analog record technology and digital downloads that I am shocked–shocked, I tell you–that I didn’t notice it before.
Incidentally, if you are looking for an example as to how you actually do treat the share part of X as the Holly Grail, look no further.
[Bill Davis] “But today X lets me get a great looking file from my desktop to my client’s computers and pads and smart phones in 1/100th the time.”
What?!!! Okay, you like Vimeo’s distribution service. Let’s say I do too. So, I use it externally from MC or Pr. By externally, I mean open at the very same time as my NLE, and on the same computer. How, exactly, is clicking on the Vimeo link 100 times faster?
[Bill Davis] “Feels a lot like progress to me.”
Feels like BS to me.
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[alban egger] ” It does not try to make compromises to keep 15 year old workflows alive.”
Yes, unfortunately it doesn’t have some of the tools required in some modern workflows, either.
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[Chris Harlan] ”
Feels like BS to me.”Of course. I send files via SoShare, Dropbox, back-end uploaders, ect. ect. ect. along with Vimeo as well (hardly ever YouTube). Is it nice? Yes. Is it revolutionary? You’ve got to be fucking kidding me.
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I want a race. I have my ftp server on a NAS unit on my network. By the time you send a file to Vimeo and then have it convert the file, send me notice that it has been uploaded, link to it, download it and play I can have the original file sent to my ftp three times over, played it and off to the pub.
It is peer to peer, fast and with software like Filezilla people can continue from an interrupted load. Vimeo is great but as a delivery system based on speed of getting from your timeline to the clients screen, it is so much slower than direct ftp to an in house server. No matter what time you might save in X getting the video dispatched to Vimeo, saving to the desktop and sending via ftp will always win in time critical situations.
I fully expect all NLEs to copy the ease of sending from a timeline to various video sites like Vimeo but it isn’t what I would use for anything other than a convenient shared view copy. If clients want to embed a file in their website, they also want the file sent directly, not downloaded after Vimeo or Youtube do their conversion to my H264 file.
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[Gary Huff] “Does it sync with Dropbox?”
No clue.
Back when Dropbox and YouSendit were duking it out as the modern file distribution services, we started using YouSendit and so didn’t need Dropbox much. And I could never see the point in paying for two premium accounts. Actually, now that YSI is doing the big HighTail rebrand (is it just me, or does that actually kinda sound like some crappy XXX domain?) U might look at Dropbox again.
But seriously, I’m doing 90% plus of my finished project distribution right out of X to Vimeo. With a premium account, it transcodes and automatically puts four scaled versions behind the password wall ready for customer access – SD, HD, Mobile and Full Size. Is it perfect? Heck no. But it makes the vast majority of the day to day work I need to do – review copies, finals for websites, iPhone screeners, etc, etc a one click process. And I seriously haven’t gotten a call from a client in nearly a year saying that they “can’t watch the video” with this system, whether they’re on a Mac, PC, Linux box, tablet or smart phone. Which is precisely what I want from the system. (Well, to be fair, there have been a couple of non-tech clients who’ve had nothing hooked up to watch on but a standalone DVD player – so I’ve had to burn TWO discs in the last year and hand deliver them – but that’s not the systems fault – and the internal X “vanilla DVD’s” worked perfectly.
Here’s the thing. “Authoring for delivery on plastic” was the single biggest money loser I had over the last 5 years before I switched to X. It ate up HOURS of time and if I tried to bill that at a healthy hourly shop rate, I had plenty of clients who would push back asking why it cost them $350 for a DVD that cost less than a buck blank. I could talk to them about the two HOURS of authoring, Burning, Labeling and packaging they took till I was blue in the face, but client’s didn’t care. They just knew that a DVD could be had for $9.95 at the movie store, so that’s ALL they ever felt it was worth.
Came to hate the plastic coasters with a passion. So the day I started figuring out file distribution directly via X, my work life just got MUCH easier.
If it doesn’t work that way for anyone else, fine. Keep doing what you’re doing.
I’m just in heaven not just having just one crappy time consuming way to get video files to clients for review. If you all have ways to do that outside a program like X, more power to ya.
But don’t buzz kill me cuz I really like the way X does it. I’ve lost way, way WAY too many hours swapping DVDs out of burners to ever look back.
Simple as that.
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