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HDV on Vegas
I am considering buying a Canon XLH1 (when they become available) what I would like to know is can I edit on Vegas taking advantage of 16:9 aspect ratio but using SD( as I have no BlackMagic card) if that is the righ card ? and producing widescreen DVDs that will play on players that are curently avaiable.
Thomas -
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Yes, Vegas and DVDArchitect have a PAL or NTSC widescreen template – I use this for all my Z1 HDV to DVD projects.
Whether they show on TV as 16:9 from DVD usually depends on Set Up settings on DVD Players.
Peter Wright
Perth, Western Oz
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You will not have a problem with HDV or 16:9 with Vegas which hadles both excellently. All my projects are delivered in 16:9 and you have a number of options for both HDV and 16:9.
By shooting 16:9, you have a multitude of options ooen to you as whether to deliver in SD/HD/4:3/16:9 and Dolby Surround to boot.
Cheers
Jeremy
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I just bought an FX1E PAL, haven’t received it yet, but would like to know best workflow for working with Vegas 6 and HDV from capture through render.
Most specifically, is a package like Cineform Connect HD necessary, desirable, or a waste of money for the capture process?
Please share your experience with HDV and Vegas and help spare me the grief. I have a video due out in short order for a major fundraising banquet at the Marriot Marquis in Manhattan Dec 18 and obviously (since I don’t yet have the camera in my hands) haven’t got the footage.
(PS. I have a Pentium 4 2.8 GHz 7200 RPM dedicated capture drive for capture but editing will probably be on a Centrino 1.7 GHz laptop and external drive).
Thanks for your help!
Jeff
Holywood Studio (Yes, we try to be Holy) -
[Holywood] “Most specifically, is a package like Cineform Connect HD necessary, desirable, or a waste of money for the capture process?”
Necessary: No
Desireable: Maybe – one ability it adds is scene detection while capturing. It can also create the proxies while capturing.
Waste of Money: Not if you want the extra abilities it adds.
[Holywood] “but would like to know best workflow for working with Vegas 6 and HDV from capture through render.”
Don’t necessarily know the “best” workflow but here’s one that’s common:
1) Capture as m2t
2) Create ConnectHD or DV-AVI proxies
3) Edit with the Proxies
4) When done, substitute the original m2t for the proxies
5) RenderA product called “Gearshift” can help with the creation and substituting of the proxies.
Edward Troxel
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I took a look at Gearshift which for $50 seems to do what Connect HD does for $200, the difference being that Gearshift seems to do it post capture while Connect does it during capture, am I correct in that? I will need proxies because I do editing while traveling on a slower laptop (Centrino 1.7 GHz)
I have just captured my first M2T stream from the new FX1E. I know this sounds dumb, but how do I work with the stream while still lacking Gearshift and not having opened the Connect box – I’m still considering returning it not fully understanding what I gain from it.
Thanks for your help.
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Yes, Gearshift is post capture and Cineform is during capture. Cineform does offer other advantages, though, such as splitting the files using scene detection. Either way should work fine, though.
Edward Troxel
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There are important differences.
Gearshift creates proxy files – these are DV avis which are purely used whilst editing, to make smooth editing possible, then before creating output files you replace the proxies with the original m2t files. You can do exactly the same thing without Gearshift – render DV files for the same purpose, then before output change the name of the folder the proxies are in, or some other way of making Vegas unable to find them, then pointing Vegas to the m2t files instead. Gearshift just automates this process and makes it easy to switch back and forth any time. I’ve used it a lot and its great – the main disadvantage is that Vegas does take a while to render the proxies, so I try and do this while I sleep.
Connect HD creates intermediate avi files which are full resolution HD, and these are used instead of m2t files, right through to output. Being less compressed, they still allow reasonable preview rates
They are about 3 times bigger than the originals (Proxies are about the same size as m2t files) but they can be created during the capture process, saving a fair amount of time.
With a 1.7 latop (I use a 1.6 one) the Gearshift way would probably be better, since the Cineform intermediates would probably not preview smoothly.
Peter Wright
Perth, Western Oz
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Connect HD allows you also to capture from the cam without capturing the transport stream. As Ed has also mentioned, scene detection is available.
One further thing you should consider that the Cineform Intermediate codec is NOT an intermediate codec.
The confusion is over CineForm’s use of the term “intermediate” which was derived from the film workflow “Digtial Intermediate” not from the concept of temporary “proxy.”
In film digital intermediates you don’t go back to the source negative. The CineForm Intermediate is not a proxy for the M2T data, it completely replaces it. Its like an uncompressed workflow — only much more convenient due to file size and speed. The branding of “CineForm Intermediate” during the post production of “Dust to Glory” where CineForm compression was used through out and was the final master format. So that is the philosophy. From these AVIs you create your master, to go to whatever output format you want : WMV9, AVC264, MPEG2, DVD, D5 or film.
Cheers
Jeremy
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Thank you all for your advice. Here’s what I did:
I downloaded the 1.5 trial to use with my new FX1E camera. I shot some test footage with the camera in HD mode and captured using Vegas 6 capture. I then wanted to create proxies using Gearshift. When I pointed the plugin at the captured file, all I get is a message “no media files were replaced”.
I got stuck at this part in the tutorial of the workflow; 2. Run GearShift on the M2T files to create a DV proxy and (optional) YUV conversion
What could I be doing wrong? I’m trying to evaluate product versus Cineform Connect HD. Could someone help get me going please.
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I just captured my first PAL production clip from the new FX1E. I filmed at 16:9 but need to project at 4:3 on a multimedia projector. What settings should I use in the project for this or is this a render-time setting. Obviously there’s some confusion here. Thanks
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