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BCC 8 Wild Cards for Sony Vegas Pro
Once again I am looking for answers to just what can be accomplished with this particle effect in SVP 12. Where are tutorials for this and many other features of BCC8 and Vegas. Again it seems as if second fiddle is being played here. Or is it 3rd or 4th. While some of the other NLE tutorials can be useful to try and translate to Vegas many more are not.
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Wild Cards is not a particle effect so perhaps you meant another effect. If you are referring to Wild Cards I can tell you from my communications with Boris Tech that it does not work as described in the AVID tutorials due to limitations within Sony Vegas. They are considering to make it function within Boris Red and also working with Sony for a solution.
There are many FX’S that do not work across all NLE’S in the same manner as shown in a particular tutorial. I’ve spent a lot of time trying to figure out a work around. Marginal success with that and still on going so I can’t share it at this juncture.
We can keep making contact with both companies and hope for a solution. My bet is Boris will include it in withing RED.
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Thanks for your reply, Joe I got the same response some 7 months ago and was assured that Boris was working on the situation. I’m just a little peeved that so many things are not doable with Boris BC C8 in Sony Vegas. There were no disclaimers to tell me any different when I bought the software that I remember. Good money spent only to have to spend a bundle more (RED or other NLE’s) to come close to the results I’m looking for. I’m curious to where the Customer Promise is in regard to Vegas. I don’t see it from here.
I took the words particle illusion from the BCC 8 .pdf file: BCC Card Array is a particle based generator style filter. The took the FX as such.
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I realized after I had posted it that Boris does consider Wild Cards to be a particle FX. My mistake indeed.
I presented the same question to Boris as well and asked for a list of FX’S and their respective NLE’S wherein they were known to work without issue. They don’t have one simply because they did not test all the facets of every FX with all the known NLE’S their software works with. When I purchased Boris RED, and Boris BCC I wanted to be sure that all my needs were met and like yourself found a few problems with some of the FX’s that I really wanted to use.
My system is a home built powerhouse and yet I have had issues with SVP 12 crashing with some of the FX’S. Also there is a known problem with RED’S installer that is supposed to be addressed in the next update. The issue has to do with SVP not seeing the plug ins and the sequence for the priority of what gets installed first.
So I have downloaded the trial version of AVID to get make this work but was not happy with learning a new NLE just to have it done.
For me the simplest solution is to include it in the RED stand alone version. Of course I would prefer to not have to work outside of SVP but there is nothing I can do about it.Really the issue is not with Boris but with Sony as it is their software that does not allow all the features the FX requires.
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I guess some things are just not made to collaborate with each other at the buyer’s expense. I’ll address my concerns to Sony, but I would probably get the same results. My thoughts are that the market for both working together might be worth the effort on their part. However, it may be like trying to put a square peg in a round hole. We all know how that goes.
Thank you for your insight, Joe.
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I’m not sure how cut and dry it is in reality simply thinking from both persepctives. My thought is the stand alone Red should have all the features the plug in version has within the NLE. Why wouldn’t it? It doesn’t….
But since we are talking about different software companies I don’t see how they could ensure complete compatiblity across the board.
Sony has trouble within there own creations hence the constant new builds and I amsure Boris has similar issues. So like most companies the consumer becomes the beta (unpaid) testers. Microsoft is famous for that and for the most part so are the rest. Techs and programmers are expensive. So here we are.All we can do is try and find some wort of work around and wait on them to address the problems. I agree with all you stated and wish there was an easier solution.
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Mike, you haven’t explained what you cannot do. Every NLE has it’s limitations. Is there a particular tutorial you are trying to follow and can’t? If so, which tutorial and what can’t you do?
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Hi John, here is the thread from 7 months ago. I was hoping that there might be an update or another way to do things since that time. It was an Avid tutorial, but as with many things in the Boris world the work cannot be done in Vegas without fumbling through it. Then you find out find out you lost the ball after running 90 yards. You see the ads for these super cool things the FX software can do. However, they don’t tell you need an army of other NLE’s to do to what attracts you in the first place.
What I was trying to do was make a wall just like in AVID. I’d also like to use EPS spline or SVG files that don’t require opening my wallet yet again.
https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/15/863914
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OK, I watched the tutorial and this is definitely a Vegas Pro limitation. Vegas has no way of exposing the lower tracks to an FX on another track with the exception of the Composite Mode. So in Vegas Pro, BCC Wild Cards can only have access to 2 tracks maximum so you can only place two videos on the cards and no more. This is a fundamental Vegas Pro limitation that I don’t see being lifted any time soon.
I have to agree with you that the documentation doesn’t mention that this is an AVID exclusive or not support on Vegas Pro. It looks to me like everything else works as advertised.
In general, this will always be a limitation with Vegas Pro because it only allows FX filters to access the track or event that they are on, and limits composting FX to the track it’s applied to and one track below. This is not specific to Boris products (i.e., all other 3rd party FX providers have the same limitation)
The good news is, you can create a video wall in Vegas Pro without any 3rd party plug-ins at all by simply using Track Motion.
~jr
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OK Mike, I figured out how to do a video wall with BCC Wild Card in Vegas Pro. You need to apply it to the track and place your media on a single track in evenly spaced events and set the Sample Mode to Coordinated Frames and the Frame Count to be the event length. This will give you the same effect as you saw in AVID.
I’ll ask Boris if I can make a tutorial for Boris TV to show you how.
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John, thank you so very much for taking the time to see this matter through. It is good to know that there is a way to do the FX within Vegas. I would be at a loss without your expertise doing the heavy lifting.
I always look forward to your tutorials and certainly hope that Boris allows you to cover the application of all their FX in Vegas. I am going to attempt to make the wall as you explained. At some point I hope to do this stuff as fluid as the pro’s seem to make it. I need to invest more time with the tools I have and retain more of the lessons.Thanks again,
Mike
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