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16mm to DV, Now I want it back to 24P
Hello Everyone… I searched the forums for other questions like this, but I just can’t find it… I apologize if it’s here already somewhere…
Here’s my problem: I shot a film in 16mm, which was converted to video via some method of capturing it to miniDV. The film department of my college did it, and they said it’s not really the RIGHT way of doing it, but it’s the only way they can afford…
So, obviously, the film went from being 24fps to 29.97fps… I brought it into Final Cut, edited it, and now I’m wondering how to get it back into 24fps. I tried exporting to quicktime from FCP, and not only is it extremely interlaced, but also squished for some reason (even though it looks fine in the FCP canvas).
So now I’m thinking I should use compressor, and perhaps after that take it into cinema tools to do reverse telecine?
The problem is, I don’t really use film much and I’m pretty new to all this… So I’m not sure what format I should convert it to from compressor, or how to correctly get rid of the interlacing, as well as make sure the aspect ratio is right (because I attempted a few things in compressor, and they also came out squished).
Here is a little frame grab to illustrate:
https://www-personal.umich.edu/~manatee/compressor_still.jpg
I apologize for the long winded post, but I’d really appreciate any help anyone can offer me. Thanks so much!
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Hi Dave, Thanks for helping out…
Well, they used this device, that was basically like a projector, except it had a plastic enclosure around the reels… That was connected to a monitor which was connected to a miniDV deck.
I assume it was captured at 29.97, because my professor didn’t mention otherwise… So I captured it into final cut at 29.97.
Actually, yes, the original clip from the browser also has some interlacing… At first it seemed like it didn’t, but when I viewed it at 100% I could see that it did. There is no film jumping or frame drifting.. I was there during the transfer, and everything seemed like it went smoothly.
Yes, I do see the problem with trying to pull down from 29.97… I was hoping there was some way around this consider the original footage was 24fps…
Well, I just tried something.. Went into the Sequence settings and changed the “Lower fields first” setting to “none”… Just as an experiment… Here is the before and after:
Before:
After:
That seemed to get rid of the interlacing, but I haven’t tried rendering this yet… and I’m not sure if that will effect the footage in other ways?
Anyway, here is the video I’ve rendered so far… (before making the above change). You can see how it is interlaced and squished too… You can especially tell with the text, which was filmed with the camera, not added later in post.
Again, thanks so much for your help! I know it isn’t much fun answering technical questions like this…
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Well, I tried exporting to quicktime after changing the sequence “lower field first” setting to “none”, but it didn’t change anything. There is still the interlacing and, the aspect ratio still seems wrong.
I understand the interlacing to a degree, but the aspect ratio stumps me. If it looks fine in the browser and canvas, and I’m exporting it with the same settings as the sequence (which I believe are the same settings as the original clips), then why would it change it on export?
I just now realized that the text clips ARE added in later. I forgot that, though we filmed them and added them to the finished 16mm film, this footage was digitized before they came back from the lab, so I had to create them in Final Cut Pro, and they are square pixels, if that makes a difference.
Here’s a still. On the right is the canvas view, on the left is the exported quick time file (both at 100%). You can see how the quicktime file is stretched. Also, there is the sequence settings for reference.
Thanks again… I’m sorry if I seem utterly incompetent.
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Aww, that’s too bad. I was afraid of that. Well, thanks so much for your help, Dave. If anyone has any idea bout the aspect ratio problem, that would be great too… Otherwise, I’ll just keep experimenting and hopefully I’ll figure it out eventually… Haha.
Joe Rybarczyk
Film/Video Enthusiast
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I agree with David on the 24p conversion. BUT… you can try the Nattress Standards Converter 2.5
https://www.nattress.com/Products/standardsconversion/standardsconversion.htm
I’ve had pretty good success with thee filters and any filter that Graeme Nattress has written. Give it a try and I hope all works out well.
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