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C Roll EDL
I have to do a 35mm to Digi Beta transfer for selected scenes for a comercial, and the post production house asked me to prepare an EDL C Roll. Wich means that instead of having the shots in cut order it has the cuts in labroll (time code order). I don’t see any optinons in the export edl that allows me to do this. Does anyone know how to do this?
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2gatos –
It’s called C-mode sorting, not C-roll. In on-line editing you can sort your EDL 3 different ways – A-mode, B-mode and C-mode. Most NLEs give you B-mode sorted EDls. C-mode is an old on-line technique to speed up mastering sessions by organizing the footage according to source tapes. There are 2 old third party software programs that can do this for you.
EDLExpress you can find at http://www.albaedit.com
EDLMax24 you can find at http://www.edlmax.com
I haven’t used either of these programs in about 10 years so i can’t vouch for how they work today. 10 years ago they could easily change a B-Mode to a C-mode sorted list.
You should also know that most on-line systems can do the same thing – change a B-mode to a C-mode list – it’s just a database sort. You should check with the production house to make sure they can’t handle it themselves.
Herb Sevush
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never used it, but would Cinema Tools work?
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2gatos
the difference between b mode and c mode is the way the edits are sorted In Relation To The
Record Master.in a B mode edl the edits are sorted in source reel ascending order
in a C mode edl, the edits are sorted in ascending source order AND ascending record vtr order so that the record machine doesnt have to shuttle back and forth.
For any film to tape transfer a B mode edl will do the job. what the transfer house needs is all the selects in ascending time code oreder
FCP will generate a B Mode edl and that should be fine
for that matter you can drag all your edits from your timeline to a bin, delete all the transitions and audio edits, sort by reel then media start, and export as a batch.
you can then open the batch list in Excel or even word and print it out
hope this helps
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Bob –
Not to get argumentative and petty about this … although since I am old and grey argumentative and petty comes pretty naturally … but I believe you’ve got your B-mode and C-mode mixed up.
A-mode is an EDL that has to be constructed in event order since underlying sync shots come first and overlaying video-only events come after.
B-mode is a list that is cleaned so that there are no overlaying events – you can assemble it in any order and it will work — but the events are numbered sequentially with the record master – opening shot is event 1, 2nd shot is event 2 till the last shot is reached.
This could be highly inefficient, even if your edit controller could “look ahead” to find all events from a given source tape, because the source tape would have to shuttle all over the place, and if your program tape was shorter than your source reels, as is the case for anything under a half hour show, a different type of sorting that would minimize source reel cueing and let the record master search back and forth could be more efficient – hence C-mode – which numbers the events from the earliest event of the first source reel to the last event of the last source reel.
Ahh, this does bring back memories – not all of them good.;-)
Herb Sevush
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Just to clarify:
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Thanks. This clarify how to do it. But it seems odd to me that that FCP is not capable of generating a C-Mode EDL. The post company that asked for it is The Mill. Is a very expensive post house in NY, and I did the transfer in the Spirit 2K. At the end I cut and paste the B-Mode to make it a C-mode. They told me that all the editors give them the EDL in C-Mode. I guess not a lot of them use FCP. Is FCP really able to do high end jobs, or should we start thinking of going back to Avid?
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They told me that all the editors give them the EDL in C-Mode. I guess not a lot of them use FCP. Is FCP really able to do high end jobs, or should we start thinking of going back to Avid?
It seems to me that the chap you spoke with at the expensive post house was a little less than able on his online system. I would be concerned indeed about paying a lot of money to have someone so inexperienced handling my project … it should make no difference whatsoever to the online editor whether you gave them A, B or C as it is only a matter of moments to reorder the EDL using the edit controller. Is CP really able to do high end jobs? Yes of course. Should you start thinking of going back to Avid. Sure, if you want to. You should use whichever tool suits your needs best. My concern at this moment would be with The Mill.
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