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Convert HD NTSC to HD PAL
Hi guys,
can you help me giving me some hints how to make a good conversion NTSC to PAL of HD material? Already tried JES Deinterlacer (the only one I know) but it gave some bad results in Jagging and noise.
I’m using a clip imported with AJA Kona using DVCPRO HD codec from SONY HDW M2000P. Have a G5 quad with 4GB RAM.
On some forums I see that Compressor 2.1 can do the conversion but everytime I try, even if I choose the PAL output, when I import the clip into FCP it shows 29.97 fps.
Any help is appreciated
Thanks
Claudio from Rome, Italy -
11 Replies
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there is no such thing as PAL or NTSC in HD.
Are you trying to convert DVCPRO-HD 1080i/60 to DVCPRO-HD 1080i/50 ?
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John,
thanks for the reply… sorry but I’m not the tech guy, I’m the one who speaks english…just trying to help him solving the problem.
Yes, That’s our problem DVCPRO-HD 1080i/60 to DVCPRO-HD 1080i/50, do u have any solution?
Claudio -
[John Pale] “there is no such thing as PAL or NTSC in HD.
Are you trying to convert DVCPRO-HD 1080i/60 to DVCPRO-HD 1080i/50 ?”
Actually, yes they do exist in interlaced formats. 1080i/60 is NTSC and 1080i/50 is PAL. That’s the way it’s written in the handbooks I have from the two networks I’m working with.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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For software conversion try the Nattress Conversion software plug in.
I have just downloaded the demo so I can’t tell you how it might compare to a hardware converter like a Teranex.
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Claudio,
Get the Natress standards conversion plugin. We have done this with 1080 HD material and it works beautifully. If you can recaputre your material as uncompressed and do the conversions that way, you will be better off, but it does work well with DVCPro 100 as well. Just let us know if you need a step by step process of how to do it. It can be done in compressor, but the renders take 40 times longer (this is not an exageration) than the Natress plugin, if you want a good quality conversion. Know if money is not a problem, then the best way to convert the material is with a Teranex system, but this will run you close to $1000 an hour.
Best Regards,
jeremy
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[Jeremy Newmark] “Know if money is not a problem, then the best way to convert the material is with a Teranex system, but this will run you close to $1000 an hour.”
That’s waaaaaaaay too expensive. More like $300 or so per hour around here in Atlanta.
Or you can buy the Terannex mini for $5,000 US.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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[Walter Biscardi]”More like $300 or so per hour around here in Atlanta.”
Walter, that may be true in Atlanta, but Claudio is Europe and I have been personally quoted the amount that I stated above from a post-house in Europe. Granted it was about a year ago, so I would hope that prices have come down since then, but Teranex systems are a lot harder to find in Europe then they are in the states.
Best Regards,
jeremy
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[Jeremy Newmark] “Walter, that may be true in Atlanta, but Claudio is Europe and I have been personally quoted the amount that I stated above from a post-house in Europe. Granted it was about a year ago, so I would hope that prices have come down since then, but Teranex systems are a lot harder to find in Europe then they are in the states.”
Ah yes, that could very well be. There is one shop in Atlanta that is signficantly higher than $300/hour, but we do have several in town that have them.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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Walter,
Not trying to be argumentative…I deeply repspect your knowlege and experience…but here’s an excerpt from “Understanding HD”…an informational booklet published by AVID (yes, the purple guys). It jibes with everything I have been taught…in technical terms my original answer is correct, though from a practical standpoint, you are totally correct, too.
PAL and NTSC do not exist in HD. They do not exist in
modern SD digital television either -
[John Pale] “Not trying to be argumentative…I deeply repspect your knowlege and experience…but here’s an excerpt from “Understanding HD”…an informational booklet published by AVID (yes, the purple guys). It jibes with everything I have been taught…in technical terms my original answer is correct, though from a practical standpoint, you are totally correct, too.”
And therein lies the problem. Avid (guys making the stuff) say one thing and the networks (guys showing our stuff) say another. In the meantime, camera manufacturers are trying to come up with a new HD format every month and we are all supposed to figure out how to get dozens of formats onto HDCAM for delivery. You wonder why everyone is confused and HD Post is really a mess right now.
In practical terms (per the networks) 1080i/60 conforms to NTSC 29.97 Lower Field First and 1080i/50 conforms to PAL 25 Upper Field First. These are the true timecode running rates on the HDCAM masters so in practical terms, yes NTSC and PAL do exist in interlaced HD.
Now if Avid, Apple, Panasonic and everyone else wants to talk to the networks and convince them that NTSC and PAL no longer exist, by all means I’m all for it. But until then, we’re stuck with the mess of “he said, she said” and we all figure it out for ourselves.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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