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Cinema Tools, XML List, FCP capture problem…
Ok, here’s my problem. We’re shooting 35mm 3 perf. Editing on FCP. Capturing from DVCAM. I get the ALE from telecine. At the telecine house, we make a new database in Cinema Tools (35mm, 3 perf, 30 NDF audio and video, TK Speed is 24). Import Telecine log (ALE). We export an XML Batch List. We import the XML into Final Cut Pro 5.0 (on a G4, Blackmagic card, SDI). We batch the clips. Comes in good, A frames fine (Media Start TC always ends with a 5 or 0, starts on A frame). Batch Reverse Telecine in Cinema Tools (F1-F2, 23.98, both boxes checked). Setup a new project in FCP, import the reversed folder. Things work fine, can edit 24 (23.98). Cool.
Go back to work. I’m working on a 1.66 GHz Intel DupCore iMac w/ 2 GB RAM, OS 10.4.6 (yeah, I know, they’re cutting corners and trying to save money). So, I go through the same steps, but am importing into FCP 5.1. I go to batch capture and it adds 24 frames to the beginning of each clip. When I open the clip in the Viewer, the playhead is parked on the first (A) frame, but there are 24 frames before the playhead. Reverse Telecine is a mess, too. Try another deck (both are DVCAM via firewire). Same problem. Try logging a new clip with the same TC as one of the clips imported via XML. Doesn’t work.
Move over to the editor’s bay (G5, 4 x 2.5GHz, OS 10.4.6, 4.5 GB RAM, also running FCP 5.1). Try the same thing, have the same problem with the XML clips (adds 25 frames to the start). However, this time I am able to re-log all the clips based on the TC of the old XML clips and batch it and it works. Reverse Telecine works fine as well.
What gives? Is it the XML file? The ALE always loads into Cinema Tools 3.1 fine. Does FCP have some glitch when it comes to importing the XML file? Is it something with Log and Capture? If I have identical clips (one imported via XML, one re-logged with the same start and end TC), why does one work and the other not? It would really be nice to not have to re-log every clip or trim each clip every time dailies come in.
Any help or ideas would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance for your time and consideration.
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5 Replies
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With FCP 5, can’t you import the ALE into FCP and batch directly from there? I don’t think the XML boogie is necessary at all.
Kevin Monahan
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No, I don’t believe you can.
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[scott07] “What gives? Is it the XML file? Does FCP have some glitch when it comes to importing the XML file? Is it something with Log and Capture? If I have identical clips (one imported via XML, one re-logged with the same start and end TC), why does one work and the other not? “
Welcome to FCP 5.1
on the additional frames make sure that you have the handles turned off when using batch capture in 5.1 for some reason I too have been getting this false frames to open all of the batch clips. (I however do not get then when working in an 24p HD offline opposed to an SD offline)gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows
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Scott, check this out: from apple.com
Film Support:
Cinema Tools 3 included
Support for 35mm 3-perf, 35mm 4-perf, and 16mm-20
Comprehensive, integrated film management tools
View Feet and Frames in Timeline
View keycode and ink number overlays on video in Final Cut Pro
Film data information in Final Cut Pro Browser
24-fps EDL I/O
24-fps EDL conversion to and from 29.97 fps
Import ALE, ATN, FLX, and FTL files in both Cinema Tools and Final Cut Pro
Track key numbers, ink numbers, video and audio timecode
Output the following lists:
Cut list
Change list
Optical list
Pull list
Dupe list
Missing elements list
Audio EDL
Link media to database
Synchronize database with Final Cut Pro
View film data directly in Final Cut Pro
Search and sort
Poster frame capability
Conform clips to specified frame rate
Reverse telecine function in either Cinema Tools or Final Cut Pro
Export ALE files
Import and export Final Cut Pro batch listsKevin Monahan
Take My FCP Master’s Workshop!
fcpworld.com -
Scot,
Please respond to me offlist so I can get some more info to recreate your issue.
Thanks.
Steve Bayes
sbayes@apple.com
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