• Apple Final Cut Pro Legacy

  Editing Audio beyond 25fps. Dialogue editing.

  Posted by Alister Robbie on November 23, 2005 at 12:37 am

  Hi,

  I am currently doing a lot (and I really mean a lot) of dialogue editing. It is the usual scenario of wading through interviews where the interviewee seems incapable of starting or finishing a sentence in the one breath. This means I am left to try and grab useable statements out of a rambling monologue by removing the “buts” and the “and_then” etc. Most of the time I can get this happening by cutting on right frame, but everynow and then, the limitation of working in 25fps means that there is a little click or “t” or “p” sound at the start or end of a clip.

  I remember when FCP was first released, one of the big claims was that FCP was able to edit audio down to 1/100th of a sec. Is it actually practically possible to do this? (or is it marketing BS?) I have had a look, and it appears that I can only keyframe audio down to 1/25th of a second (based on a 25fps timeline.)

  Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

  Cheers

  Al

  Alister Robbie replied 20 years, 9 months ago 4 Members · 5 Replies
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  November 23, 2005 at 3:50 am

  To access Sub-Frame Audio in FCP

  Click audio into Viewer, then:

  1. Magnify Glass (Zoom) Tool-Click Upscale (Frame shows as Large Grey Area)
  2. Arrow Tool-Click on FRAME in question.
  3. Option-Click to add key-nodes at sub-frame level (1/100th frame.)
  4. Arrow Tool-Click/Drag node levels.
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  Martin Baker

  November 23, 2005 at 10:44 am

  You can keyframe audio levels and pan to 1/100th second and you can slip an audio clip to the same accuracy but you can only create cuts at the frame level.

  Martin
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  Alister Robbie

  November 23, 2005 at 12:16 pm

  Matte,

  Thanks so much. Love your work. Very very cool.

  Al
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  Nick Meyers

  November 24, 2005 at 8:58 pm

  i do a lot of dialogue finessing, too, cutting out and’s but’s etc.

  simplest thing for me is to set my default audio transition to 1 or 2 frames.

  if i get a tiny click on the cut, then the tiny disolve fixes it.

  i’ve yet to resort to FCPs difficult subframe “editing”

  to set default:
  go to effects bin, audio transitions.
  type in new duration,
  control or right click on trans,
  “Set default”

  to add trans:
  control or right click on cut,
  add transition
  or
  select cut,
  Option Apple T

  cheers,
  nick
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  Alister Robbie

  November 25, 2005 at 12:17 am

  Hi Nick,

  Thanks for the tip. I have been working with short audio transitions to get the clicks, but I prefer keyframing as a method so that the clip is clean on its own. At this stage of the edit, we are doing a lot of shuffling, so I am trying to avoid using transitions so that it is easier to move things around.

  BTW, the sub-frame editing is just unreal. It has been working a treat and is really easy to get to.

  Cheers

  Alister

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