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What a f*****g nightmare!
I did a clean install of Tiger on my G5 yesterday, then installed the Production Studio. I had to put in DeckLink and ATTO drivers, all went well, all drives there, then opened an existing project in FCP. I had all the quality settings for an 8 bit project set to high, but the type looked like shit. Next magilla was that View>all Frames would not stay selected, so nothing would play out to my Beta deck.
So this morning I did a clean install of Panther to get back to reality, re-installed FCP4.5 and I’m back to normal. BTW the type in the above mentioned project looks great once more. So what the f
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I doesn’t help, but it Just goes to show you shouldn’t upgrade on existing projects – FCP shouldn’t do this, but every major upgrade seems to cause chaos on previous projects for some people.
Steve Connor
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Hey Steve,
Well, you’re right of course, but I did take the precaution of backing up my existing projects on another drive, so I was totally covered. All is well.
Except, that I’m still shut out of the new software until Apple fixes it.
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Oh, I forgot, another weirdness was hitting the spacebar and it would play at double speed. But not always. I just felt like it was haunted.
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Even with a new project using all the new software? Or does it mess up settings only on the old projects?
OSX 10.2.3; Quicksilver Dual 1 gig; FCP 3.0.4; Sony camcorder vx2000; write professionally for a variety of media
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It was all screwed up. New or old. And BTW, how irresponsible is it that it shouldn’t work with old projects? That should be the FIRST priority for these things. What if you had a two year old project you had to resurrect?
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Well, I’m doing this right now guys. I have projects that I have to re edit for a client that were produced originally in FCP 3, modified in 4 and now I’m running them in 5 and don’t see any of these particular problems… I did run software update before installing FCP 5, to get to 10.4.1 but other than that, I did an erase and install of Tiger, and simply made copes of the project files to open them there… all works OK with Kona 2 and it’s latest drivers.
Jerry
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I don’t want give an I-told-you-so kind of answer, but in reality, you should
never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever
NEVER upgrade to a brand new OS and/or new FCP software that runs your business. Bad, bad, bad!!!
At most simply do this…
If you have an extra open SATA slot in your G5, then buy a new SATA drive for only a couple hundred bucks (I always recommend Seagate), wipe it clean, install Tiger and all its updates and install the software you want on it and all its updates. Then simply boot between each drive when you want to and IF you want to. No you can’t open your FCP5 project on the old drive, but this at least lets you see if the software is perfectly stable for real-world use.
So that’s what we’re doing here before going head first into Tiger and FCP5. Then once we do feel we can fully use Tiger+FCP5 on everyday productions without worry, we’ll use the old original Panther drive as an internal backup drive. Perfect!
So is it worth a couple hundred [deductible] bucks to save grief? YOU BETCHA!!! =)
Marco Solorio | OneRiver Media
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Well Marco, I agree with you, which is why I backed up all my current projects on another drive, which saved my ass. The extra SATA drive sounds like a good idea, I’ll try that.
But you know, having to do this kind of safegaurd seems absurd to me, it’s like buying a new car and hoping it won’t blow up or have a brake failure. You expect it to just work. I for one expect a company like Apple to solve all this stuff for me before I pay the price of admission. In total, I’ve spent around $3000 for all my FCP copies and upgrades, so I don’t think I should be the only one pissed about this release and it’s shortcomings.
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[Chris Poisson] “But you know, having to do this kind of safegaurd seems absurd to me, it’s like buying a new car and hoping it won’t blow up or have a brake failure. You expect it to just work. I for one expect a company like Apple to solve all this stuff for me before I pay the price of admission.”
Cars have recalls too. In the hardware+software world, nothing is ever perfect. There will always be bugs and unpredictable conflicts. Truth is, the new combined upgrades *do* seem to be working quite well. With the millions of lines of code combined with the varying hardware complexities, there’s an easy probability of a 1-5% chance of something erroneous happening on a new release. This is absolutely inevitable. If anyone can’t accept this, then they’re in the wrong business.
With time an updates, the software+hardware combo on each major release will polish up. This is what OSX 10.3.8 and FCP 4.5 is… a fine tuned machine. Tiger+FCP5 will get there too. And looking at some of the results from my amigos, it looks like Tiger+FCP5 is off to a great start.
[Chris Poisson] “In total, I’ve spent around $3000 for all my FCP copies and upgrades, so I don’t think I should be the only one pissed about this release and it’s shortcomings.”
I’ve spent much more than that, but there’s no reason to be pissed (I especially should be pissed since I’ve beta tested for Apple… I should be getting free software from them!). I’d be pissed if I was a newbie or a hobbiest, but as a professional, you never take the risk of succumbing your bread-and-butter to the bleeding edge… unless you have a backup plan or have an alternative motive.
Truth is, I feel all this stuff works better than we all think. I’ve used beta software (even alpha software) on real-world projects (hey, that’s the only real way to see if something works and if you’ll encounter bugs) and I’d say 95% of the time (again, referring to beta software) it all works. Once it make public release, it’s even stronger. A huge part of this is how the system itself is set up.
If you have a contracted deadline, use the software you know will work 100%. For me, that’s currently OSX 10.3.8 with FCP 4.5. Plain and simple.
I don’t expect it to be too long before I can feel comfortable using Tiger+FCP5 on contracted deadlines.
Marco Solorio | OneRiver Media
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Marco,
All your points may be true, but you miss my point. You’d think Apple would get better as they get older, and I have gone through major OS upgrades from OS 6 through 10. And NEVER in any of these stages have I seen this kind of failure.
I am a loyal customer who has come to expect that Apple figures this kind of shit out before they release a new OS or app. I could put up with a 1-5% hiccup as you mentioned, but not this kind of total failure.
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