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CS4 large HDV project on Vista loading problems
Thank you for any help with an overview of how CS4 works with large projects. Have I exceeded the limits of what CS4 can handle? What can one expect in terms of response times, etc.
I have a total of approx. 330 Gb in HDV m2t files on line in the project, which for a while seemed to respond practically real-time to everything, including simple transitions and fast-forward and rewind at will.I am editing a long form documentary shot in HDV Sony 50i. PPro 2.0 could never maintain audio sync over a complete tape length so I used HDVsplit to capture each tape, numbering some 35 total and more than 3000 individual files. Each tape has its own bin and sequence and then there are other sequences for putting together the trailer. That’s how far I’ve gotten and have stayed stuck here for more than a week due to system freezes. Now I uninstalled all Adobe software and re-installed, having previously set disks to not index and not compress and turned off user account and other advice as given on this forum.
Loaded into a brand-new system dedicated just for this project no other software except OS, system drivers (nVidea GS 98000) and the CS4 related programs, including newly downloaded QuickTime. As said above I have already started to edit this material for a trailer and now after shutting down and restart CS4 seems to hang interminably at the half-way point on the load project bar. There are absolutely no signs of life from the CS4 screen itself.
Using Task Manager I see 1% usage across the 8 cores and 1.93 RAM (representing about 25% of the display column).
[N.B. I am working with a US English version of CS4 on German version of Vista SP1]
The graph of the process procedure shows a flat blue line at 4 out of the possible 16 levels.I am very grateful for any help.
New Vista 64 home basic on i7 920/Asus p6t/12 Gb RAM
OS and Premiere CS4 download upgrade on system drive
projects and audio preview on internal SATA 1tb d:
HDV video files on internal SATA 1.5 tb f:
video preview on internal SATA 1.5 tb g:
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CS4 has given me nothing but headaches. Can’t help you figure out what the specific problem may be, since your issues differ from mine, but I can recommend grabbing CS3 and seeing if it works better.
One thing I might suggest is this: Hide your assets from PPro, and see if it can load. Then replace the missing assets one by one. You may have a corrupt file, or one which PPro simply doesn’t like. I determined recently that a certain DV capture I had, which worked fine in CS3, was causing PPro and AE to freak out, forcing a process kill. They evidently generate peak files differently.
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Thank you, Marc
I don’t know how I could go to CS3, I upgraded from PP 2.0 directly to CS4 just last week and have been suffering from this since then.
I am right now trying the third re-install of CS4 and then I will try your suggestion of hiding the assets. -
out of interest, how long have you waited on the project to load ?
we recently completed a long form docco here on CS4 and once the project was nearing completion it often took 30-40 minutes to load the project in the morning
CS4 does not handle long form well, despite their latest updates it just seems to hate big complex projects
~Peter Berthet
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Thank you for your input Peter,
Your experience is just what I wanted to know. Exactly how big was/is your project? What format, ie. HDV or …?
As I stated in my first post, our project has over 300 Gb of HDV assets across some 3000+ files originally successfully imported into CS4 by tape=bin into some 35 sequences.
Having once shut down the project simply hung forever upon loading.
In my case the waiting was hours and hours and still no progress.After following the advice from Marc Brown about hiding the assets I was able to start CS4 from whence I could use the import command to try and access that same project.
Here is where I think Adobe has failed us: the import command returned immediately that the project was damaged and could not be opened. If the project load command had only done the same then it would have saved me literally days.
Using WordPad to open the prproj file I could see that it was truncated abruptly and had no proper ending in comparison to other project files. The command language seems fairly similar to html programming and I wonder if anyone/anywhere there is a repair tool that can identify unclosed objects, command structures etc which would allow at least a chance to redeem certain elements from a project? -
our project was a mix of DV and HDV, the media alone exceeded 600gig comprised of several hundred clips and about 12 sequences, the project file alone got to about 60mb in size
we ended up moving the media and an edl out of premiere and into final cut pro, where it loaded in about 2 minutes and never crashed (keep in mind the mac we used FCP on wasnt even close to half as fast as the PC we were using PPRO on)
your unfortunate in that some of your files were corrupt, on top of that CS4 seems to hate large complex projects, and the long load times seem to be associated with its need to index everything on initial project load (more media = longer load times)
as far as i can see adobe believe the software is working as intended, but i dont believe for one second theyve actually tested it under the sorts of conditions that you have described, in my experience it simply does not perform to a decent standard.
~Peter Berthet
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I’ve been having problems with Vista 64 and CS4 PPro. Its a new machine and PPro worked fine on the 32 bit. The problem is causing my entire system to reboot! I get the same problem when copying a big file within Windows. I’ve found on other sites that this is a Vista 64 problem. In the event viewer the error message is:
Event filter with query “SELECT * FROM __InstanceModificationEvent WITHIN 60 WHERE TargetInstance ISA “Win32_Processor” AND TargetInstance.LoadPercentage > 99″ could not be reactivated in namespace “//./root/CIMV2” because of error 0x80041003. Events cannot be delivered through this filter until the problem is corrected.
Has anyone else found this? Have you been able to resolve the problem?
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its not related to CS4, its a problem with windows
from a windows tech support forum:
Here’s how to fix it:
Start -> All Programs -> Accessories -> right-click Command Prompt -> Run as administrator -> you copy and paste this:
net stop winmgmt
DEL C:WindowsSystem32wbemRepository*.* del c:WindowsSystem32WBEMRepository*.*Restart the PC and let the system idle for several minutes.
There will still WMI warnings in the event log.
Restart once again and the error message and warning will be gone.~Peter Berthet
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Are you closing the sequences you don’t have an immediate need for? Open sequences are a memory hog, and will slow down load times.
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Hello, Peter,
It’s taking me a few days to respond. I was sorely tempted to bear the much higher costs (I’m in Europe) and shift to Mac Pro and FCP but the investment in learning, equipment and in the Premiere software lured me into trying once again.
I made the fatal error of thinking things would be straightforward. Bring all my material in and have it all online and edit at great speed – after all the paper specs are impressive. However, it simply didn’t work for me. The PC is as clean as I can make it, only Vista with all the extras turned off following the advice given here and on Tom’s Hardware. The only application software is CS4.
Now I am working by bringing in selected assets, going through one tape’s worth at a time – everything is still on the video harddisk in hdvsplit capture files – choosing just those files which I want and deleting the rest from the project.
This way the project load is only a minute or two.
I also am v.disappointed with CS4 as it still fails to maintain video:audio sync in large files which VLC, and any other player handle with ease. -
Brian, I haven’t had the problem you’ve related. I hope the solution Peter has pointed out works for you.
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