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Will Adobe ever want their video editing program to be taken seriously by professionals?
No DVCPRO HD support. Nice.
Well I just want to let Adobe know that they have lost me as a customer for good. Of course I will still use Photoshop but that is about it.
If all the REAL video edting software makers like Avid and Apple can deliver platforms that can editit DVC Pro then why can’t Adobe? Just seems like they still really don’t give a damn.
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It’s looking to me that with the 2.0 release Adobe stacks up quite well compared to the competition. Wish I could say the same about the HVX200. Take my advice and stay away from this impractical expensive concept-cam, and create your film look in post. You will thank me later.
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Well, all I know is that I consistently take biz away from compeitors who think they can “get the film look in post” instead of shooting with the DVX100A.
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[Eric Jurgenson] “It’s looking to me that with the 2.0 release Adobe stacks up quite well compared to the competition.”
I’d agree with you but for the fact that it still lacks good media management. Otherwise they put a lot of cool things in this release.
If they had put in media management and opening timelines in Audition, batch renders, and batch processing of many of the functions that can only be applied a clip at a time, it would have been a terrific release. As it is, it means hobbled workflows for many of us.
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I definitely don’t want to get into an argument about DVCPro HD, but it certainly isn’t a free format that any application can integrate. Apple clearly has a great relationship with panasonic and adobe has a great relationship with sony. If more users yelled for this, then I think it would make more a case for it. It’s a legitimate request, it just ended up as a third party area. The only way Premiere Pro does support it is if you have a deck with HD/SDI output you can capture it in the 720p uncompressed codec using the AJA Xena HS card. Of course you don’t have the compression and smaller file size, but you could use CineForm for compression with the AJA and that would solve that. I would put CineForm up against any other compressed codec.
I think it’s a valid gripe, but wait til someone announces a new format at NAB and then we’ll see what the next flavor people demand… HD Optical blue-ray… I’m just speculating, but if such a format were to exist and Adobe supported that and apple didn’t… then what.respectfully.
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[Jacob Rosenberg] “then we’ll see what the next flavor people demand… HD Optical blue-ray… I’m just speculating,”
There isn’t much speculation on this issue. XDcamHD has been released by Sony which basically uses blue-ray.
This will be the ultimate tapeless format for the forseeable future.Ken Adolph
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There is no doubt about it. I have spoken with a house that does a ton of XDCam work and they feel like the format is ROCK solid. Scratches, sand, you name it, a little toothpaste and everything is all right…
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[Jim Jim] “If all the REAL video edting software makers like Avid and Apple can deliver platforms that can editit DVC Pro then why can’t Adobe? Just seems like they still really don’t give a damn.”
Avid ingests DVC Pro and edits it natively? I thought it transcoded…
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From my understanding, it depends on the situation. I think Avid really ends up using their own DNxHD codec for everything until you output, so it has to be “converted” in some form at sometime, usually during import… and I believe P2 files need to be changed into an Avid flavor file (some OMF format I believe) despite the fact they say “native” editing. As far as I know, there is no PC version of a DVCPRO HD codec available right now and since Avid runs on Quicktime, it might just be a Quicktime thing.
From what I’ve heard from other users, Avid’s handling of DVCPRO HD is not really all that great, and it’s the same with almost every other editing platform. I even know some FCP users that have trouble with DVCPRO HD at times. BUT, Avid is a Panasonic partner and it will work. Apple is a Panasonic partner and it will work. But are the results perfect, probably not. Is the workflow exactly what everyone is looking for, definately not.
Give Cineform some time, they will have something out soon enough… but it’ll be a transcode to Cineform AVI, which if you ask me, is really not a bad thing!
Q: Will Aspect HD support Panasonic’s HVX-200 camera?
A: A future update to Aspect HD will support Panasonic’s HVX-200, but we aren’t ready to announce details. Stay tuned….Q: Does Prospect HD support editing of DVCPRO-HD material?
A: Not at this time. Unfortunately there is no publicly available DVCPRO HD codec (or even decoder) available on the PC, and we have not written our own. We hope to add editing support for DVCPRO HD material, but that time is still in front of us. At this point the best we can offer is to ingest DVCPRO HD material into CineForm Intermediate over HD-SDI. -
Kinda related, but has anyone heard that Sony is finally considering stopping production of the Memory Stick in favor of (what is looking like the industry standard) SD card? This will happen with these DTE tapeless recording formats soon enough, they can’t all compete forever… customers will not stand for it, unless they keep spending money on every new product that comes out.
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I think the “native” issue is just not as important as it seems to many at the moment.
With DVC ProHD on FCP, the idea is that you save some money by not having to have an HDSDI capable deck or computer…but DVC ProHD isn’t exactly the best HD image quality attainable…8 bit only…very subsampled…constant bit rate (color correction that creates some additional information may end up causing a re-compress to get the image back under the data rate ceiling, etc.) AND with the Varicam, you actually shoot 60p all the time…the 100 Mbits/sec applies to the 60 fps stream. If you only take 24 frames per second out…that’s only 40% of the pictures…40 Mbits/sec. Not that 100 Mbits is anywhere even close to uncompressed, but 40 Mbits starts to make HDV look like a contender…
Using a high quality intermediate codec is the best way to preserve the quality of your HD footage…whatever format it is. In that way, DVC ProHD is certainly supported by CineForm Prospect HD…it’s far better quality than DVC ProHD when it captures from an HDSDI line in…tape format agnostic, decompressed, square pixel signal.
So I think that some are under the impression that since there is not specifically labeled “DVC ProHD codec” preset, that PPro can’t handle DVC ProHD workflow…and that simply isn’t the case. As a matter of fact, the Prospect workflow using HDSDI is far more industry standard than capturing DVC ProHD through FW…
So there you are…
TimK,
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