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Aja Kona
I need I quick answer if is possible.
I have a company on Italy, but now I am on USA for vacation.
In my company I have 3 Mac (1 G5 2,7, 1 Quad, and MAc book pro 17″)and final cut PRO
We work with Panasonic hvx 200, Varicam, and Betacam SP.
All the mac don’t have a board inside, so, till now, the only workflow that we do it is between firewire (hdv, dv and DVC100pro).
We have plan to buy some Kona Board, and I was oriented on KONA 3 model.
My intention is to buy here on usa… and one of the use is to work with the Betacam sp recorder. Unfurtunately I have only 3 1800 betacam sp that don’t have SDI I/O.
My question is if is possible have an ANALOG SD Input with the kona 3 (component sd) and if not wich will be the best solution:
KONA 3 with external analog component/sdi converter (and if yes will be the suggestion) or another KONA product (KONA LHE for example) and on that case wich are the difference between KONA 3 on HD workflow (when we will work on SONY HDCAM or Panasonic Varicam).The second problem that I have is that I live america next week so I have to place the order today to have the delivery for the end of the week.
If anyone can give me some suggestion I really appreciate it
Thank
Andrea Biscaro
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[qwert000] “We have plan to buy some Kona Board, and I was oriented on KONA 3 model.”
Kona 3 will only work in the Quad and the new Mac Pro’s. For your other G5 you will require a Kona 2.
[qwert000] “My question is if is possible have an ANALOG SD Input with the kona 3 (component sd) and if not wich will be the best solution:”
AJA has a Component to HD-SDI converter, the HD10A. They also have a new version coming out this month that also adds an Audio feed. So you can feed analog Component and audio and you’ll get an SDI feed with embedded audio.
[qwert000] “KONA 3 with external analog component/sdi converter (and if yes will be the suggestion) or another KONA product (KONA LHE for example) and on that case wich are the difference between KONA 3 on HD workflow (when we will work on SONY HDCAM or Panasonic Varicam).”
LHe does Not perform Upconvert of SD material to HD so if that is one of your requirements you do not want that card. The Kona 3 is the most versatile of the cards available and I think you just add the analog to digital converter to get your video into the Kona 3.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
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In my opinion, you should buy either the AJA I/O or I/O LA right now, so you can use it with your Beta VTR’s. This is very inexpensive, and works with ANY MAC computer – powerbook, PCI-X or PCI-E. THEN, when you buy a new MAC G5 tower (like a Quad or MAC Pro), you can add the Kona 3, and use it with your AJA I/O. If you just get the I/O LA (for analog composite and component only), it’s only $995. This is what Walter owns for his system. (he also owns a Kona 2).
Bob Zelin
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[Bob Zelin] “This is what Walter owns for his system. (he also owns a Kona 2).”
Absolutely. We have the one AJA Io LA with two Kona 2 and one Kona 3 systems. If we need analog input anywhere, we just move it to that system.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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Thanks for suggestion…
In my company I already have a mac quad. and on the next semester will buy a new mac pro.
My problem was for now.
Actualy we use both mac (g5 2.7 and quad) for the hd workflow (HDV and DVC100pro), and for the analog sd workflow we use and old digisuite le on pc.
As we want eliminate the digisuite le (I have speed razor, no more update etc..) we are looking for a solution that can be usefull for both workflow; componet sd and sdi HD (right now we have 2 HVX 200 panasonic and 1 Varicam with 1200 record with sdi and firewire board).
So I was looking for a solution that will work for HD and SD (betacam sd component)
I want update just the Quad, not the G5 2.7.
We are plaining to buy even a Cinealta sony, so I want to be ready to edit all what we shoot.
My second problem is that I am on usa till 21 augusth so I will wanted buy here and bring to me the stuff… I can do even from italy but is a little bit more complicate (more expensive the expedition and long time delivery for duty tax).
So I have talk with the Aja guy and they have tell me to buy or a Kona LHe (they say the the quality is exactly the same of the Kona 3) or buy the kona 3 and the new Kona HD10AVA Analog HD to HD-SDI and SD to SD-SDI Converter with Embedded Audio. that I have understand that is not released yet.
So… I am really confused on what to buy…
thanks for the help
Andrea B.
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Call Markertek 1.800.522.2025 or visit https://www.markertek.com/ I’m sure you can get them to send you those two items within this week if you need them. They seem to have both the AVA and the Kona 3 in stock.
Jeremy
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Try B&H too. http://www.bhphotovideo.com
They have never let me down when it comes to next day delivery. (One caveat…I live in NJ, 20 minutes from NYC).
Either way, their service is great…but order before Friday afternoon–it is run by Orthodox Jews and they shutdown Friday afternoon and reopen on Sunday….so it doesn’t give you a lot of time to order.I would also recommend the LHe. Component and SDI is built right into the card and Breakout Box. No need for converters and extra equipment. The I/O box is a plus if you can fit it into your budget. I run the LH and IO/LA on my Mac Dual 2Ghz. And, yes, minus the upconvert, its basically the same card.
Ron
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Andrea –
don’t be confused – just listen to me. The “do everything” package is the combination of –
1) AJA I/O (the full I/O box)
1) AJA Kona 3
1) AJA K3-BoxIf you buy ALL THREE of these items, you will be able to do EVERYTHING, with no excuses.
If you want to save money, then you can remain confused as to what you should do. The Kona LHe is an excellent choice if you want to save money. In my opinion, $5000 is not that much money to spend to do EVERYTHING – up, down, cross convert, all SD and HD formats. If you are serious about working with the CineAlta (which costs $100,000), then don’t tell me that you can’t afford to buy all the correct AJA components.Bob Zelin
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Thanks Bob,
after reading all the message I have decide to go on Kona 3 + box + IO but not the full, just the LA, because I will need analog input just for the few work that we are still doing on Betacam SP and on the next semester, we will buy a new macpro 3 with another Kona 3 plus the D10 AVA hd converter.
I will place the order now… (I have find markerter, more cheaper of BH for kona3 and I have talk to the gay that can send me today).
Last question.
ON the end of this year my facility will be completing migrating on array fiber channel disk sistem of Apple (14 terabyte).. but till this moment i am looking for have an affordable disk sistem (not real expansive because we will use just for 3 months) to work on HD and sd uncompress.
with dvc100 pro I have no problem whit the 4 1 tera byte firewire 800 that we have (3 lacie biggest and 1 maxtor).
But for uncompress I know that will be a low frame rate.
so I am loking for the new LaCie Biggest S2S with PCI-Express Card (2.5 or 1.25 Tera) or I have see one advertising here regarding Cal digit S2VR HD or the pro version. or I have check for FirmTek solutions (4 or 2 bay) whit the express card for macbook pro and for quad and g5 2.7. I have talk with the firmtek in california but they have not ready yet the 4 bay so they suggest me to buy 2 2bay and wark with 4 hd on raid 0 (around 220 mega)
La cie I can buy even on Italy (almost same price that here in USA) the other two solution are whort here.
Anyone can give some suggestion?
thank you again for time and patience
Andrea -
Thanks Bob,
after reading all the message I have decide to go on Kona 3 + box + IO but not the full, just the LA, because I will need analog input just for the few work that we are still doing on Betacam SP and on the next semester, we will buy a new macpro 3 with another Kona 3 plus the D10 AVA hd converter.
I will place the order now… (I have find markerter, more cheaper of BH for kona3 and I have talk to the gay that can send me today).
Last question.
ON the end of this year my facility will be completing migrating on array fiber channel disk sistem of Apple (14 terabyte).. but till this moment i am looking for have an affordable disk sistem (not real expansive because we will use just for 3 months) to work on HD and sd uncompress.
with dvc100 pro I have no problem whit the 4 1 tera byte firewire 800 that we have (3 lacie biggest and 1 maxtor).
But for uncompress I know that will be a low frame rate.
so I am loking for the new LaCie Biggest S2S with PCI-Express Card (2.5 or 1.25 Tera) or I have see one advertising here regarding Cal digit S2VR HD or the pro version. or I have check for FirmTek solutions (4 or 2 bay) whit the express card for macbook pro and for quad and g5 2.7. I have talk with the firmtek in california but they have not ready yet the 4 bay so they suggest me to buy 2 2bay and wark with 4 hd on raid 0 (around 220 mega)
La cie I can buy even on Italy (almost same price that here in USA) the other two solution are whort here.
Anyone can give some suggestion?
thank you again for time and patience
Andrea -
We have a Kona 3 card and I just built a 4.5 TB Raid array using a Sonnet eSATA PCI-e card and 2 sonnet Fusion 5 bay boxes. You can get both of these directly from Sonnet and they come with eSATA cables (about $1300 for all that). Then I got 10 500 GB Hitachi from NewEgg.com for about $2400. So you can build a RAID 0 array like this for about $4000. The only thing you have to do is put the card in your Mac and screw the drives into the drive trays. The 10 drive array does R/W on the default Kona disk test of 350 MB/sec and 325 MB/sec (Read/Write). A five drive version of this array will have about 2.3 TB of formatted storage and R/W speeds of about 210/190. The only problem that I encountered was that one of the Hitachi Drives wasn’t working right. You can test them individually with the Kona Test prior to making the RAID, they should have R/W speeds in the range of 61-64 MB/sec. NewEgg exchanged the disks without a problem, but this could be a hassle from Italy!
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