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  • Why does opt + ] trimming get me an extra frame?

    Posted by Jerry Smith on June 17, 2015 at 11:00 pm

    Been driving me crazy for a few weeks now. I put the current time indicator at t = x, click on a layer, press opt + ], and the region gets trimmed to the t = x + 1 frame. It’s really been slowing me down as I often have regions that can’t overlap. Is there a setting I can change somewhere? Or is this a known bug? Or–please don’t answer yes–is it a feature? If it is supposed to be a good thing, how can I modify my workflow?

    Thanks in advance.

    Nikhil Rastogi replied 4 years, 10 months ago 6 Members · 7 Replies
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  • Jerry Smith

    June 18, 2015 at 12:26 am

    Yeah, I figured it was something like that. But doesn’t that cause all manner of workflow problems? Suppose I want one layer to begin after another layer finishes. So I put the current time indicator where I want the transition. Then I click on the beginning layer, and type opt + [. Then I click on the ending layer, and type opt + ]. But I have overlap. So I have to go in an manually adjust the layer.

    I’m more of an audio guy. And a moment in time has zero duration. So, when I cut, the music is over!

    So if the frame rate is 25fps, and somebody wants a clip that is 2 seconds long, is that 50 or 51 frames?

  • Richard Herd

    June 22, 2015 at 3:29 pm

    After Effects is not an editing program. It is a compositing and motion graphics program. As Dave says, you gotta think like that in AE.

    Two other short cuts to help you : i will display the first frame of a layer and o will display the last frame of the layer.

    Select a layer by hitting the number pad number, 1 (will choose layer 1).
    i will display the first frame
    2 will select layer 2
    Option-[ will “cut” layer two so it’s first frame will display exactly where the playhead is, and since you chose 1 and i, layer 1 and layer 2 will line up.

    now, for the last frames:
    1
    o
    2
    Option-]

    Also: this is worth the $10 https://aescripts.com/pt_shiftlayers/

    2 seconds @ 25 fps is 50 frames, but frame 1 is actually frame 0, so your time line is 0-49 (in fames). And it gets more ridiculous in North America where we have fractions of frames. Video electronics are signals measured in Megahertz and we use frames as a convenience — your audio is also measure in samples.

  • Denys Glagoliev

    February 7, 2020 at 2:04 pm

    Is there is exit of this problem/feature ?

  • Drew Hutchison

    February 7, 2020 at 6:50 pm

    On your timeline it will show 1 additional “frame” but your layer will not be visible if you move 1 second forward in the timeline.

    When you’re hitting Opt + ], you’re telling after effects this should be your last visible frame of this layer. If it didn’t add the extra frame in the timeline then your final frame wouldn’t be visible.

  • Tero Ahlfors

    February 7, 2020 at 7:59 pm

    It works like the inclusive out point in NLEs.

  • Denys Glagoliev

    February 8, 2020 at 6:08 am

    Thank you for your answer, but it is confused me when I need to “crop” several layers and then distribute them on timeline – they stuck together with those extra frames, but not inclosed – they imposed on each other and this “extra frames” are visible in preview.

  • Nikhil Rastogi

    July 10, 2021 at 2:04 am

    facing the same problem .. and I just need an exact frame to finish and match the sequence layer… Please help somebody ?

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