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Apple acknowledges 720p capture bug (subclips) in FCP 5
https://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=302917
Some workarounds on that webpage.
Seems it has to do with serial device control.My 2 cents, Oliver
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[Oliver Busch] “Some workarounds on that webpage.
Seems it has to do with serial device control.”Actually no it doesn’t. I run my 1200A via Firewire control all the time since I leave my Sony J3 deck hooked up via RS-422 Control. I get the issue with every single clip captured with Firewire control. Not really sure where they got the idea it was a Serial Control issue.
This issue affects ALL frame rates via HD-SDI, not just 59.94.
Also, this issue doesn’t solve the problem of re-capturing where FCP won’t re-connect to media correctly in the event you have to bring back a project later.
Really the article just looks like a re-hashing of information from the Cow Forums.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com“The Rough Cut,” an original short film premiering December 7th in full High Definition in Atlanta.
rsvp@biscardicreative.com to reserve seats.
https://www.theroughcutmovie.comNow editing “Good Eats” in HD for the Food Network
“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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Walter,
The thiing I love about this is that we pulled that thread together and had a bunch of users submitting the same feedback. Have we found a chink in the Apple armour? Do they actually listen? In this case it appears that they felt they had to respond with that web page. Chalk one up for democracy.
On a larger note. I’m not sure that we will see this fixxed before INTEL. I am not sure we will see another major release of FCP (My top three wants for a new release have little to do with bells and whistles and more do do with core stuff:
1.)A better media manager,
2.) A completely new Capture interface,
3.) Working audio meters during capture.
4.)A few interface changes.
5.)A background rendering option.
6.)A new core slo-motion technology.Just the things that I feel would put the “PRO” in Final Cut Pro.
David
PS: Thanks Oliver for the original post.
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[David Battistella] “The thiing I love about this is that we pulled that thread together and had a bunch of users submitting the same feedback. Have we found a chink in the Apple armour? Do they actually listen? In this case it appears that they felt they had to respond with that web page. Chalk one up for democracy.”
well then I think it’s time to hit them with another round of Feedback so we can move beyond the acknowledgement and actually fix it. Y’all can go back down and find my feedback form and start sending it off again.
The thing that’s really funny to me is 720p / 25 works just fine in HD-SDI. The one format I don’t use for anything.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com“The Rough Cut,” an original short film premiering December 7th in full High Definition in Atlanta.
rsvp@biscardicreative.com to reserve seats.
https://www.theroughcutmovie.comNow editing “Good Eats” in HD for the Food Network
“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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You know, at least this means they are listening (I’m remaining optimistic here). Glad to know that Apple, with it’s gaining popularity, is not a huge Ivory Tower…..yet. It seems that if they are aware and also acknowledge this problem, they might be fixing it (again, I’m trying to remain optimistic).
What about the end where they are talking about removing the subclip limits? I can’t try it myself today as the 1200s gone. It seems they want you to drag your clips into a new bin, batch redig, and then remove the subclip limits. They recommend doing this if you need to batch capture stuff that is already edited into a timeline. Not a perfect solution but a solution none the less. Better than reediting the whole piece when it’s time to go uncompressed.
Jeremy
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Mixed formats in same timeline please as well……
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I wonder why people want the “mixed formats feature.
This is a hardware driven solution and it means that somewhere along the line something suffers. Why not just capture everything to the same codec.
David
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The reason we want mixed formats in the timeline is that it is a mixed format world. I get stuff in all the time on betacam, DV, DVcam, HDV tapes etc. and directly in animation w-alpha, image sequences, Windows Media & AVI formats. I don’t want to convert digital to analog to digital just to get the same format, I love being able to pan & scan HD in an SD timeline, and I will never tell my customers that I cannot use some video because it is in the wrong format. The varieties of video keep increasing, especially in the Web and portable device areas. I want to accomodate all the business I can, at the best quality, least hassle, least time. That is why I want mixed formats real time in the timeline.
Chris Paul
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Chris,
I agree that it is a mixxed format world but it would be pretty hard to accoomplish what you are talking about in a software only solution.
Can we really expect FCP to intercut HD uncompressed with windows media and quicktimes encoded with up to 20 different codecs. To top that off we can’t even use MP3 directly an FCP timeline and you want it to be able to do that much with video. I think it’s a pipe dream. Sure, I’d love it, but it would be virtually impossible from an engineering standpoint.
Oh and throw the old alpha channel in there too while you are at it.
Wait a sec. I want them to guarentee that I will never have to render a frame of vieo again. ever.
😉
David
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[David Battistella] ”
This is a hardware driven solution and it means that somewhere along the line something suffers. Why not just capture everything to the same codec.”Not so with the old CineWave system I owned. In the case of the 40th Anniversary of Lamborghini project we did two years ago, we had over 25 hours of DVCAM footage to condense down to a 90 minute feature and 2 hours of bonus material. I simply captured the entire project in DV, but edited in an 8bit Uncompressed timeline, in real-time, for all graphics and color correction.
Would have been a waste of drive space to capture everything 8bit Uncompressed since I’m not going to magically get more image quality from the DV. The image quality off the CineWave was outstanding.
So yes, Mixed formats in the same timeline is a huge feature that’s greatly lacking from any FCP solution today. It’s sorely needed in my workflow today as I get mixed formats even in HD.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com“The Rough Cut,” an original short film premiering December 7th in full High Definition in Atlanta.
rsvp@biscardicreative.com to reserve seats.
https://www.theroughcutmovie.comNow editing “Good Eats” in HD for the Food Network
“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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[David Battistella] “Can we really expect FCP to intercut HD uncompressed with windows media and quicktimes encoded with up to 20 different codecs.”
No, but it should work with various flavors of Quicktime codecs in the same timeline. And yes, we should expect this since they are handing off more work to the GPU so you have both processor and graphics card working together on this.
[David Battistella] ”
Oh and throw the old alpha channel in there too while you are at it.”Why not? CineWave was doing this two years ago. Mixed codecs in the same timeline which included real-time Alpha channel support for Quicktime Movies. Made it a dream to work with stuff from After Effects which was rendered Lossless + Alpha.
Oh and let’s not forget real-time Chroma Key as well. As in REAL real-time Chroma Key, as in Edit to Tape without rendering Chroma Key. How many folks out there wouldn’t mind having this feature today? We did this two years ago.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com“The Rough Cut,” an original short film premiering December 7th in full High Definition in Atlanta.
rsvp@biscardicreative.com to reserve seats.
https://www.theroughcutmovie.comNow editing “Good Eats” in HD for the Food Network
“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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