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MAC Pro release Date
we will wait and see
https://www.engadget.com/2018/04/05/apple-2019-mac-pro-shaped-by-customers/
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In a not-so-perverse way I feel sorry for you guys.
My editing system:
Intel i9 7960x 32 cores @ 4.3GHz
Thermaltake Floe Riing 360mm Water Cooler
Asus x299 Prime Deluxe
64GB 3333 Corsair Dominator ram
2 EVGA 1080ti Cards @ 16 lanes each
36 TB Areca 12 drive Thunderbolt 3 Array @ 40mbpsLife is good when you’re not a prisoner of any church.
Have a great NAB those of you who are going.
David
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to translate David’s post –
this Win 10 system is the equivalent of what many of us “hope” the Mac Pro will be. And when the
GTX-1080ti cards become obsolete in a few years, David can simply pull them out and replace them with
whatever comes along. Same with a 10G (or 40G) card. And same with any I/O card from AJA or Blackmagic.
David’s system will run Adobe CC, Media Composer and Davinci Resolve (and Cinema 4D and others faster than an iMac Pro (unless you possibly have a Sonnet or Akitio eGPU box and another Vega 64 card).And of course, the most important thing here – is that David’s system did not cost $6400 (I could be wrong – I don’t know David, but I bet he did not spend anywhere near 6 grand for this system).
Of course – no FCP X.
Bob Zelin
Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
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Thanks for the translation for the hardware challenged ☺
[Bob Zelin] “David’s system will run Adobe CC, Media Composer and Davinci Resolve (and Cinema 4D and others faster than an iMac Pro (unless you possibly have a Sonnet or Akitio eGPU box and another Vega 64 card).”
I’m doubtful that this is true, Bob. Correct me if I’m wrong but the TB3 connector for eGPU boxes is 4 lanes…so each card in an external enclosure is sharing those 4 lanes with every other card. My two cards are running 16 lanes each. The effective speed is not directly proportional to the number of lanes but I’d expect that there’d need to be around 4 or 5 external cards to match the effective speed of my two.
Yes the cost excluding the external Areca array was much less than $6k and this o/c’d system will put the iMac Pro to relative shame with any of the apps you mentioned.
David
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Bob,
I actually checked out prices for the components mentioned
Intel i9 7960x 32 cores @ 4.3GHz
Thermaltake Floe Riing 360mm Water Cooler
Asus x299 Prime Deluxe
64GB 3333 Corsair Dominator ram
2 EVGA 1080ti Cards @ 16 lanes eachI couldn’t find an i9 32 core @4.3 GHz, what I could find is an i9 7960x 2.8 GHz 16-core which goes up to 4.2 GHz with 32 threads. Need a link to this one ’32 cores @ 4.3GHz’.
I added the exact same other components as mentioned RAM, 2x GPUs. And I added a 5k display, 2x 1 TB m.2 SSD, Case, keyboard and mouse, Win10 Pro USB.
The total adds up to $ 8,300. Did I miss anything? Add it to the price, then.This, for a machine that may be superior to the iMac Pro, but at a not significantly lower price.
And I haven’t even accounted for the labour in putting this thing together. Which if we value our time as editors at $500 per day, and take, say, 4 days to set this system up fully, the price of this wonderfully powerful Windows computer is $ 10,300.An 18-core iMacPro with 64 GB RAM and 16 GB GPU would run $ 8,800. And a 14-core would be $ 8,000.
On upgradeability, in 3 years, the CPU, RAM may change to the point that the then current CPU and RAM will not work with this motherboard. GPUs will evolve, and the GPU of 2021 may or may not be compatible with this motherboard.
And along the way, if any component in the self-built PC fails outside the warranty period, you simply have to buy a new one. RAM, SSD, GPU are all very costly components to replace. So add maybe $ 500 for replacements over 3 years.
For the iMacPro, $169 gets you AppleCare which gives you parts and labour replacement free for 3 years.
For all the trouble (and expense) of building your own PC, the speed increase you’ll see will likely be in the import and render process, both of which are processor and GPU dependent. I can’t think of any activity where this PC will finish in 6 hours and the iMacPro will take 2 days.
The speed of editing, grading, mixing, designing, writing…
Those depends on the processor which sits between the keyboard and the chair.
That one is ‘factory fitted’ and non-upgradeable.———————————–
Neil Sadwelkar
neilsadwelkar.blogspot.com
twitter: fcpguru
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Neil, I don’t know where you price stuff but for the items listed plus a 2TB Samsung Pro NVMe SD plus case and 1200W PS I paid last November $5500. The CPU is in the list – a 16/32 i9 7960 is overclocked to 4.3 GHz, a simple thing to do with XMP overclocking on x299 mainboards. Of course it helps to buy in a competitive market from as few suppliers as possible and get resulting discounts. You can also hang a 10 bit 29 inch UHD Dell monitor on it for less than $400.
David
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[Bob Zelin] “Of course – no FCP X.
“As we are actually on an FCPX forum this is an important point.
\”Traditional NLEs have timelines. FCPX has storylines\” W.Soyka
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[David Cherniack] “In a not-so-perverse way I feel sorry for you guys.
“Strange that, I feel sorry for you Not being able to use FCPX 🙂
\”Traditional NLEs have timelines. FCPX has storylines\” W.Soyka
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Of course you can also re-use your rack mount case, power supply, cables and monitors to make the rebuild even cheaper.
4 days to setup? I usually do my rebuilds every four years and it takes less time than that to do a rebuild and complete install the OS & drivers. I would tyoically have the old mobo out and the new one fully installed including onboard RAIDs in one day. The the OS & drivers install might take up a few hours. The install of software, networks and other hardware peripherals like Decklink cards is then the same.
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[Neil Sadwelkar] “I added the exact same other components as mentioned RAM, 2x GPUs. And I added a 5k display, 2x 1 TB m.2 SSD, Case, keyboard and mouse, Win10 Pro USB.
The total adds up to $ 8,300. Did I miss anything? Add it to the price, then.He no doubt already had a good monitor, etc. Not having to buy a new monitor every time you buy a computer is one of the major benefits of not being on the imac train.
[Neil Sadwelkar] This, for a machine that may be superior to the iMac Pro, but at a not significantly lower price.
Lets go with massively superior than an imac priced similarly at $5.5k. I was bored the other day and got to putting together an imac with all the best parts on the apple website. it came to $20k AUD. And it was still inferior to David’s machine. Not being able to install a pair of 1080tis is a deal breaker.
[Neil Sadwelkar] And I haven’t even accounted for the labour in putting this thing together. Which if we value our time as editors at $500 per day, and take, say, 4 days to set this system up fully, the price of this wonderfully powerful Windows computer is $ 10,300.
Four days?! A pro would do it well under an hour. I’d do it in about 2-3 hours to make sure I did everything perfect. Lets face it, when getting a new machine it isn’t putting it together that’s the hassle. It’s reinstalling all the softwsare and setting up your preferences, shortcuts, plug ins etc. That can take days but it’s not going to be any less painful on a mac.
[Neil Sadwelkar] For all the trouble (and expense) of building your own PC, the speed increase you’ll see will likely be in the import and render process, both of which are processor and GPU dependent. I can’t think of any activity where this PC will finish in 6 hours and the iMacPro will take 2 days.
For video editing for sure. I doubt that’s all David’s machine would be doing. If you, for example, start messing round in 3d for your videos/images then the faster machine will very quickly begin to pay it’s way. I just exported a single frame from 3ds and it took my system 26 hours to complete the job during which time the entire computer was out of action. David’s would probably get the job done in about 5 hours. That kind of power is not something most need- but if you do you’d be silly to be buying a more expensive computer with less power.
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Exactly Steve. Why buy a BMW when a Fiesta “LX” will get you to the same place and nearly the same time?
It’s not about a feature list.
Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Visual Storyteller
https://vimeo.com/channels/1322525
Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
Professor, VCU Brandcenter
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