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For those who are still Fishing…..
I have tested up to 10 layers of HD, with FX, animation, and basic 3D.
The system cost me $1197.00 CDN, before the software update (Which I would have done anyway.
I’m please with my decision. i hope you will all be happy with your choice.
Cheers
DBK
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What system are you talking about?
All the best,
Tom
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There was another thread where Darren talked about building his own AMD 6 core system with a very good GPU for the aforementioned price.
I think the contention may be that not only is something like that not possible on the Mac but that one may even get the equivalent power of an HP Z series workstation without paying that price.
If what he built is truly performance competitive with an HP Z then I can certainly see HP leaving the workstation market. Sure there’s value in a workstation but the value proposition would have to be diminishing when a “commodity” PC, a market we know HP is leaving, can actually cannibalize workstation level sales.
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Who said anything about HP leaving the workstation market?
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[Gary Huff] “Who said anything about HP leaving the workstation market?”
We don’t know what they’ll do. If commodity computers can compete against workstations then there sales may decline as people decide to build/buy less expensive but equally powerful computers. Not everyone would go that route but it could be one more thing to bring about that decline.
If a growing number of people believe they can built $1200 computers that rival $3000 computers, what impact do you think that will have an computer manufacturers and even VARs.
One argument was that HP was only going to get out of commodity PCs and keep workstations which have higher margins. Then we saw a thread which included how fewer people need workstations. If workstations are a declining market, what do you think will happen?
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HP leaving the workstation market?
I don’t wish to lower the tone, but my worry is that Adobe will leave the Mac market.
It has happened before, twice in my personal experience. And I was burned twice.
First, Premiere would not run (as I remember on OS X), and Apple to its credit provided a free copy of FCE. Second, Adobe discontinued the Mac version of FrameMaker, which was a great pity since it ran very nicely on a Mac, used AppleScript and so on.
Now in both cases I can understand that Adobe could no longer make a dollar out of the Mac versions. My fear is that switchers and declining sales of serious Macs will undermine the economic case for continuing Mac versions of serious software, especially Adobe’s.
A nasty spiral could quickly get underway. Who needs a Mac Pro, or what will replace it? Universities running Mathematica? High-end still photographers? And then only through tradition. Old habits could die very easily, unless I suppose you develop iPhone apps.
I hope there is something profoundly wrong with my argument.
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You may not have been part of the original s=discussion – “So Long and Thanks for all the Fish”
The System is an HP purchased from a local bestBuy store
HP Pavilion Elite AMD Phenom II Six Core 1045T Computer (HPE-500F (2.8Ghz
8GB of RAM
Zotac Nvidia GeForce GTX 570 – 1.280GB RAM
A SATA III card
2 X 3TB Segate 7200rpm with 64GB of buffer. Raided together with the SATA 3 card-Raid 0
1.5TB System drive (Green one unfortunately)
ESATA card to connect a 4TB G-Raid 4TB raid system
DVD burner
Blu-ray burner.I was taking hits because it was a consumer level machine, albeit upgraded to the nines. The system cost less that $1200.00, and was cheaper and had more performance than sticking with my Mac, and upgrading.
DBK
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THe point I was trying to make with all of this, was to say I was leaving Apple, because they are not competitive in the professional editing market – haven’t been since CS5 in my opinion. Additionally, they are far out of competitiveness in the PC, or workstation market. As stated earlier I built this PC
HP Pavilion Elite AMD Phenom II Six Core 1045T Computer (HPE-500F (2.8Ghz
8GB of RAM
Zotac Nvidia GeForce GTX 570 – 1.280GB RAM
A SATA III card
2 X 3TB Segate 7200rpm with 64GB of buffer. Raided together with the SATA 3 card-Raid 0
1.5TB System drive (Green one unfortunately)
ESATA card to connect a 4TB G-Raid 4TB raid system
DVD burner
Blu-ray burner.cost $1200.00
To do it with a Mac:
This is the 2nd MacPro as it had atlease the same number of cores or better,
Two 2.4GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon “Westmere” (8 cores)
8GB (4X2GB)
Mac Pro RAID Card
2TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s hard drive
2TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s hard drive
2TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s hard drive
ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB
One 18x SuperDrive
Magic Mouse
Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (English) & User’s Guide$5399.00
Then we need an nvidia card. The one Apple sells is the NVIDIA Quadro 4000 for Mac for $1299.00
So the total is $6698.00
$1200 vs $6700. or 5.58 times the cost of doing this on a Mac.
As someone who has used a Mac since 1988, and have all the iOS devices, and love em all, even I couldn’t justify the price. I could have opened a 5 bay editing facility if I threw in some furniture, monitors, etc. I do plan to add an intensity card for RT output.
My opinion is Apple is a consumer electronics company now, and the computer is just an aside. iMacs and mini’s and even their macbook pros as now within reach of many consumers. Why would they build Mac Pro’s. There are no applications that need it that they personally make. Maybe Hackintoshes will be more the way to go.
Anyway, I couldn’t be happier.
DBK
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Just curious. How long do you think that machine will last you?
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[Darren Kelly] “My opinion is Apple is a consumer electronics company now, and the computer is just an aside. iMacs and mini’s and even their macbook pros as now within reach of many consumers. Why would they build Mac Pro’s. “
And HP is now a software and service company with very low margins (despite high volume sales) and the very PC you bought. Why would thy make workstations when your PC replaces a workstation on either platform?
My point is your argument applies just as well to PC workstations and HP itself, the maker of your bargain PC, is going to spin off or sell that division. Regardless of who is eventually selling those PCs, their workstations still have to compete against them and you’ve already pointed the way of the market.
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I don’t know. Until I want to upgrade it I suppose. It has a 650 watt Power Supply, it runs cooler than the 27inch iMac I was using – quieter too frankly.
If Adobe/Nvidia or AMD come up with something that will do even more, then I’ll look at that, but I’ve used AE and the timeline of my edit software to composite my work for ever. This, for me is the holy Grail!
Why do you believe it will suddenly die or something?
DBK
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