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Render Queue for FCP round trip GLITCH/TRICK
It’s not earth-shattering but I just wanted to share a workaround for a problem I encountered.
I have 5 reels of a film (each reel is a different project) I’d like to render overnight. In the render window I used the “FCP7 XML Round-Trip” easy setup, selected a destination directory and went to load the selection into the Render Queue but nothing happened. For some reason, having the easy setup selected seemed to prevent the use of the Render Queue.
However, all I had to do was change the easy setup to “none.” When I did that, all of my settings stayed the same as they were for “FCP7 XML Round-Trip” and I was then able to load the selection into the Render Queue.
I did a short test and all of the renders are good and they link up to the imported XML in FCP.
Good night.roman hankewycz
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yep the render queue is locked for some reason when doing a roundtrip. I’m curious if you’ve noticed file naming differences between “none” and “roundtrip”. After working on show and rendering I’ll often go back and make some changes – obviously I want to add the changes to render queue but can’t as you point out with the FCP roundtrip preset so I change it to none – then make sure all other settings are the same including the option for a unique file name. In my experience the rendered file is not being called the same thing (sorry not in front of it right now) and so after making the changes FCP won’t automatically reconnect to the overwritten changed file.
Are you not experiencing that? If not something funky is going on with my system.
Robbie Carman
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Oh man. I was worried about that. I guess I’ll see on Monday when I make changes to the project! Thanks for the heads up, I will definitely look into it and respond.
roman hankewycz
harbor film company // colorist -
Hey Robbie,
Yeah this is a small annoyance I’ve emailed them on as well to hope to fix. To be clear you’re saying the following 2 things result differently, correct?:
Scenario 1:
- export using preset: FCP roundrtip
- export XML from conform page
- import XML to FCP
Scenario 2:
- export preset: none
- use source reel names checked
- unique filenames checked
- export XML from conform page
- import XML to FCP
In theory, you might work around a potential problem here by cleaning your resulting XML’s using text edit find and replace.
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yeah thats what I’m saying but more specfically if I render out initially with Round Trip chosen. Then when I come back and want to make some changes and want to utilize the render queue I have to change it none. With all other settings the same I’d expect to get the same name of the file so it could just be automatically relinked in FCP. In my experience the rendered file without the round trip option selected as a different name.
Not in front of now but monday I’ll detail what the exact name difference is
Robbie Carman
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OK so I tested what Robbie said and I ended up with entirely different issues.
On Friday evening I rendered 4 out of 5 reels using the render queue (preset set to “none” but all settings same as “FCP roundtrip”). Today, to test Robbie’s problem, I chose a shot in one of my reels, gave it a whacky grade and rendered it out again using the render queue set to none. The new rendered file was named identically to the original render, so I figured the problem was solved. I went back to resolve and exported XMLs for each of the reels then I imported the reels into FCP and discovered that the XMLs linked to the old media for all of the reels except for one. The one reel that linked correctly was the one that I didn’t render through the render queue, rather I did it first using the “FCP roundtrip” preset.It seems that unless you use the “FCP roundtrip” preset the XMLs will not refer to media rendered out of Resolve. This may have been the cause for Robbie’s issues before. Any insight into this as I do some testing here?
roman hankewycz
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Here’s a test that would troubleshoot it for us.
2 clips on a timeline
- Export XML pre-render: test01
- Set render dialogue to FCP preset, but don’t render, export xml :test02
- Render clip1 in preset mode export xml: test03
- switch render mode to none, but don’t render. export xml: test04
- render both clips in none to new dir, export xml: test05
Test results:
- did the test05 clips have the same extension?
- did the extension change from test03
- did the expected xml clip links change between test01 and test02? Or the other test versions?
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Blase,
First off, great experiment. Sorry for the long post but it’s a doosey! Here’s what I got after importing each XML into FCP.-test01:
–clip01: linked to original media
–clip02: linked to original media-test02:
–clip01: linked to original media
–clip02: linked to original media-test03:
**clip01 rendered to folder “test03,” and got name MVI_0007b_V1-0001
–clip01: linked to MVI_0007b_V1-0001 in folder “test03”
–clip02: linked to original media-test04:
–clip01: linked to MVI_0007b_V1-0001 in folder “test03”
–clip02: linked to original media-test05:
**clip01 rendered to folder “test05,” and got name MVI_0007b_V1-0001
**clip02 rendered to folder “test05,” and got name MVI_0404_V1-0002
–clip01: linked to MVI_0007b_V1-0001 in folder “test05”
–clip02: linked to MVI_0404_V1-0002 in folder “test05”additionally I did 2 more tests…
test06: rendered out both clips but I used “none” preset with the Render Queue
**clip01 rendered to folder “test06,” and got name MVI_0007b_V1-0001
**clip02 rendered to folder “test06,” and got name MVI_0404_V1-0002
–clip01: linked to MVI_0007b_V1-0001 in folder “test06”
–clip02: linked to MVI_0404_V1-0002 in folder “test06”test07: rendered out only clip02 using “none” preset with the Render Queue
**clip02 rendered to folder “test07,” and got name MVI_0404_V1-0002
–clip01: linked to MVI_0007b_V1-0001 in folder “test06”
–clip02: linked to MVI_0404_V1-0002 in folder “test07”What’s crazy here is that in these tests
(1) the file names of all rendered clips were identical through the different render versions
(2) the XMLs worked as I expected them to regardless whether I used the FCP preset or none, and whether I used the render queue or not.The missing factor here is what happens when you use the render queue on multiple projects at once. I have a feeling that when the Render Queue accesses a project that isn’t opened for rendering something gets messed up with the XML. I will investigate this tomorrow morning!
roman hankewycz
harbor film company // colorist -
Hi,
The render file name is part of the project data, and either you export the XML, or you save the project, before you load the next project. Else the exported XMLs won’t carry the new file name for the render when you reload the project.
When you use multiple projects in the render queue, it will have to skip over projects without saving them, and hence the Batch Render is disabled in the FCP mode.
For the moment, it’s best to export the XML after rendering one project.
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[Rohit Gupta] “The render file name is part of the project data, and either you export the XML, or you save the project, before you load the next project. Else the exported XMLs won’t carry the new file name for the render when you reload the project.”
I think this might be my issue rohit – but it my case it doesn’t seem to be with the XML just the render after originally rendering and exporting the XML to FCP. When I come back into the project in Resolve and IF I use the FCP Roundtrip Preset and render a clip it replaces the existing clip on disk and FCP reconnects to it just fine.
However if I choose none in the preset so I can use the render queue and render those changes even though Resolve tells me I’ll be overwriting the existing clip on disk its writing a new clip with a new name and not overwriting the file it should be (with the original name)
I have a show tomorrow that I’m going to be making some changes to. I’m going to test this out again to see if it wasn’t just a one time thing or I’m just nuts (entirely possible btw).
As a feature request it would still be great after rendering a show to have a flag of some sort on a clip to show a change since the last time its been rendered or a button the render page to render only changed clips since the last render.
Robbie Carman
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Well that settles it! Ha.
Robbie, I’m curious what you find in your tests today.Rohit, obviously it would be helpful if FCP roundtrip worked with the Render Queue. I also second Robbie’s request for a function to keep track of which clips have been modified since the last render. It’s far too easy to lose track of which clips have been tweaked and I often re-render everything just to be sure I don’t miss anything.
While we’re on the subject, having plain old timeline markers would also be a useful feature.
Thanks,roman hankewycz
harbor film company // colorist
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