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Feature Request :Multilayer Timeline and XML is a must
Multilayer Timeline is the biggest missing of Resolve (and others)
Resolve seem to be born mostly for Features having straight Cuts …But commercial today …well…In my experience editors lately almost never have less than 5 layers of dissolves on top of each others ,combined with crazi speed changes , layer opacity …Etc…
And grading the independent shots elements not in the contest (i mean as separate shots without dissolves etc..)..is very very risky … (more than once happened to me that the grade was good and than when re-conformed it felt “not right ” (too dense or too dark etc…because of the multi cross dissolve that when applied again change the feeling )Now is the 5th time that i heard ” WE SHOULD GRADE THIS ONE IN FLAME OR SMOKE ” ….
Also XML support is crucial because final cut and EDL is not a working solution when the timeline is full of cross dissolve and speed changes : even exporting an EDL for each layer , FCP make soo many problems if we don’t strip out dissolves and speed changes :
For example it does not report the inverted (minus) speed (so in scratch it takes time to manually invert and than slip ) , also when a cross dissolve is going on combined with a speed changes …is a mess …Please Multilayer Timeline and XML support …otherwise Flame and SMOKE will start color grading more than US …
PS:even STORM now have a multilayer Timeline and XML support…
Hope will happen soon in Resolve , because seriously , grading a shots that will be cross dissolved into others 3 shots without having the dissolve going on on you monitor is very inaccurate…
Thanks
g
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Well, get a Filmmaster then 🙂
Or a Smoke or Flame !
Seriously , Resolve is miles away from being a commercials tool.
It’s a rock solid, kickass grading system for the price of a night out in Amsterdam.
But if you can’t charge the client the money for a Fkame, they don’t deserve one, period.
Do the “grading” in FCP , that’s fair enough I think.
Yes, I am talking to the other guys as well about multitimeline and XML and stuff .
I just don’t think it might happen here that quickly.
Back to Smoke, have a nice We.Ps : if I am in new York , should I cond over for a beer ? 😉
A slice of color…
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Hi sascha,
Well my resolve coated 40K actually (software +resolve panel+ macpro+ various cards )…
I am not pretending tools to compositing in the sense of “””special effect matte””” etc…I am talking mutilated timeline for reproduce the edit and grade …I don’t think is a incredible Request (even apple Color have a multilayer timeline …)So a basic mutilated timeline with possibility to apply voss dissolves …that’s it …and is not really a “becoming flame request “…
g
g
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I know I know…
Its hard, especially after you had a demo on the other systems.
I am playing with the Storm beta myself and its very useful indeed.
The thing is, more ond more agencies dont bother to go to the post-house, just hire some intern to do the editing and thats why we get crappy FCP projects instead of proper EDLs those days.
I am seriously spending more time sorting garbage than actual grading for commercials.
And yes, YES .. I WANT A TOOL WITH A MULTITRACK TIMELINE , and I want it now.
But only for those people.
Every short film I get is fine, every music video and even the last features.
Its all about having time for a proper structure during shooting, ingest, conforming, creative work and finalizing.A slice of color…
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Yes features are fine (usually straight cuts )…but commercial are a mess !!! (and music video too in my experience )
Do you see storm multitimeleine useful to integrate with resolve ? Or just a standalone product to grade itself ?
Thanks
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Yes features are fine (usually straight cuts )…but commercial are a mess !!! (and music video too in my experience )
Do you see storm multitimeleine useful to integrate with resolve ? Or just a standalone product to grade itself ?
Thanks
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I think one would have to rethink stuff with multi layers.
It will never have realtime with 5 layers. Not at this price range i bet.
Maybe with really big extender and a lot of gpus but not now.
Second would be really big array with a lot of speed.Seems really not so detailed wish to want something like that.
Resolve is so fast that rendering few extra clips for fades is just a breez.
One have just to rethink workflow a bit.Same thing goes for effects and grain stuff.
Yes they would be nice options but again not sure how speed will
be maintained.I see no win in multilayer.
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Margus
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Margus what is the point of you post ?
Why being negative and “against” a request that is actually insanely needed in the commercial workflow where editorn never use 1 layer watsoever …Is more important see what’s going on on the edit to take color decision than have rock solid realtime (off course who would expect realtime when 4 layers gets blended??)…but grading separated shots instead of
dissolved shots together does not produce a good color
results . The point is ,as a today I have davinci and Scratch and color and for all this kind of commercial davinci is the worse and color the best ,and is better sacrifice performance and use color than sacrifice the results + 2 days of reconfirming issue and use davinci …scratch can composite multinlayer but is not optimized yet (multiple layer timeline is coming there )g
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Well I think we can all agree that more features are always better if they don’t sacrifice anything. We all would like perfect multilayer XML support with compositing and multi-mode blending (I’d personally love Delivery.com integration so Resolve can order me food for those late night sessions!)
I seriously doubt anyone at Blackmagic wakes up and says “hey let’s not make all these things because we don’t feel like it” – I’m sure any one of those features requires a ton of work and they have to decide whether it’s worth it, considering their market.
In the end the best solution is to use the correct tool for the job. If color is that tool, use it. If Flame is that tool, use that. If the Resolve guys see you using another product and they want you as a customer then they’ll work on adding the features you’re missing.
That being said I agree with the sentiment of priority – of all the things that could be added to Resolve right now, support for complicated multilayer timelines is probably at the top of that list.
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Personally I feel in order to have multi-layer timeline support, we must also have XML support at the same time as they both somewhat goes hand in hand. And to have multi-layer timeline support the GUI has to change to accomodate multi-layer timeline display so there’s alot of work to do if the DaVinci team plan to support it.
I’m sure they have an endless to-do list for Resolve and I’m sure XML is one of the most common request but multi-layer timeline, not sure man. Someday perhaps but I’m sure it will take time for them to get this done.
-chrispy
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I see your point, if that’s the kind of productions you happen to get a lot. I’ve never come across a project where theres so many dissolves on top of each other. Would you mind showing me an example? I’m just curious on how it actually looks.
I’ve done 10 or so commercials going straight to the big screen. I’ve never encountered anything else than hard cuts or in worst case, dissolves, som I’m not as biased towards this as you and the others. 🙂
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