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Importing DVCPRO HD 720p24
Question:
I have a customer who is importing DVCPRO HD footage (720p) into FCP (shot with a Panasonic HVX-200). I’m trying to help him get his original footage (which I’ve determined to be 24p footage, store as 60p with pulldown inserted)I keep requesting the original P2 MXF files so I can tell him how to import them into FCP so they show up as 24p (or 23.976) but he says the camera/FIrestore-100 stores them as QT files (which are 720p60, with pulldown inserted, as I’ve said). I read in the Firestore-100 manual that DVDPRO HD are only stored as MXF files, but he insists that they are stored as QuickTime files. The manual says that only DVCPRO /DV mode stores them as QT files:
In DVCPRO HD or DVCPRO 50 mode, files are recorded to disk in P2 MXF format. When in DVCPRO / DV mode, files are recorded as RawDV, AVI Type 1, AVI Type 2, AVI Type 2 24p, Matrox AVI, Canopus AVI, QuickTime, QuickTime 24p, Avid OMF, Pinnacle AVI, or P2 MXF file formats. Simply connect the FireStore FS-100 to your Mac or PC editing system like a normal FireWire hard disk drive and you are instantly ready to edit
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[Peter Litwinowicz] “Can the Firestore-100 store the 720p24 footage as 720p60 QuickTime files and not as P2 MXF files?”
With the new update to the FS-100, yes, it can.
You’ll want to get the new manual here:
https://firestore.com/support/downloads.asp#expand
For them to remove the duplicate frames, they will need to use the DVCPRO Frame Rate Converter (built in to FCP6, on the FCP Install disc for FCP 5.1, or from Panasonic’s website under resources for the HVX200).
-Russ
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Thanks!
Pete -
I just tried the converter, and it doesn’t work on the footage I received. I get a message that says “An error occurred during processing, unable to conform source media”
I’m wondering if the “convert 59.94 to 23.976”, with remove duplicate frames, only works on Advanced Pulldown and not standard pulldown? (The footage I have has standard pulldown ). The frame rate converter manual is not much help here… it says you should make sure the media files contain frame tags when capturing within FCP, but this is not an option because I’m getting the media files as QT movies directly from the Firestore 100. I presume that the files have tagged duplicate frames, but cannot verify this. Help?
Pete
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[Peter Litwinowicz] “‘m wondering if the “convert 59.94 to 23.976″, with remove duplicate frames, only works on Advanced Pulldown and not standard pulldown? (The footage I have has standard pulldown ).”
there is no advanced pulldown with progressive content.
“I just tried the converter, and it doesn’t work on the footage I received. I get a message that says “An error occurred during processing, unable to conform source media””
have you modified the original import?
if you set in’s and out’s on import that can happen.With versions of FCP prior to 5.1.4if you did you will have to process the footage with CT.
gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
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What version of FCP are you using? Intel or PPC mac? Where did you get the frame rate converter?
-Russ
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What version of FCP are you using? Intel or PPC mac? Where did you get the frame rate converter?
-Russ
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You can also check out Nattress Standards Converter:
https://nattress.com/Products/standardsconversion/standardsconversion.htm
It will also remove the duplicate frames (60P to 24P).
-Russ
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[gary adcock] “There is no advanced pulldown with progressive content.”
There is if you set the camera to record 24p in a 60p piece of media on the P2 card or Firestore-100. So the content is recorded as 60p, but there is really only 24p content within it. Pulldown (either advanced or standard) is added. Yes, I realize that you can record 24p natively, but this was not the camera setup when shooting.
The frame rate converter comes with FCP 6 (Final Cut Studio 6). It also comes with FCP 5.1, but you have to install it with a separate installer. And to remove the duplicate fields/frames from 60p material when really shot at 24p, the camera has to be set up to tag the duplicate frames.
Turns out the camera was not set up properly so that the Panasonic-supplied frame rate converter did not work on the footage I was trying to remove the duplicate frames. On another forum website I found this: “Make sure that the UB MODE setting (in the RECODING SETUP menu) on your HVX is set to FRM RATE. FCP uses this to locate the frames to remove. ”
Pete Litwinowicz
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[Peter Litwinowicz] “[gary adcock] “There is no advanced pulldown with progressive content.”
There is if you set the camera to record 24p in a 60p piece of media on the P2 card or Firestore-100.”
Gary is right. It’s not an advanced pulldown (2:3:3:2). It would be a traditional 2:3 pulldown but using frames instead of fields. So it will duplicate frame A twice then frame B three times, frame C twice and frame D three times.
No manufacture has ever used a 24P advanced pulldown when dealing with 720/60P footage. That would be frame A twice, frame B three times, frame C three times, and frame D twice.
This is all technicalities. Did you get your footage fixed?
-Russ
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Oops, my bad.
There is traditional pulldown in the footage I have. Didn’t realize that 60p versions of 24p never have advanced pulldown (learning something new). And then I responded Gary’s message as if he typed “60p footage never has pulldown”… which is NOT what he said! Gotta read more carefully next time. 😉
Okay, that said.
Got it fixed by taking it into After Effects and removing the pulldown.
However, not being a Panasonic camera or Final Cut Pro guru, I was trying to give my customer a workflow that didn’t involve removing the pulldown within AE (so I’m trying to understand all the issues… thank you guys for that!). My customer had already edited the 60p footage within a 60p FCP timeline, and with cross dissolves, etc, that meant that there was several different places in the pulldown cadence being edited together and he was trying to remove the pulldown after being edited (because he really wanted 24/23.976 footage at the end). Eek!
So I was trying to give him a workflow that brought his footage into FCP as 23.976 so that the editing process just worked naturally, without any pulldown removal issues after the editing. So, for now, I ‘ve told him to remove the pulldown on his ALREADY shot footage and re-edit using a 23.976 timeline in FCP (thank goodness it’s not a large project).. In the FUTURE, I’ve given him the information he needs to shoot appropriately so he can remove the pulldown upon import into FCP from his Firestore-100… which will ease his workflow tremendously (duh!).
Thanks for all the help!
Pete Litwinowicz
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