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hvx 1080 24p in FCP
I’m shooting a low budget feature on the HVX on P2 cards. We’d want to shoot 1080 24PA, but final cut pro 5.04 doesn’t seem to suuport this. Everything gets converted to 29.97 by default. Will FCP 5.1 support 1080 24PA from the HVX? We’ve ordered the update to 5.1, but in the meantime we’d like to keep shooting. Is it possible to save the raw media on the P2 cards to a hard drive to be imported into FCP later? Or do you always have to go straight into FCP with the media from the P2 cards?
Knowing that we are going to output to film later, are their any settings to avoid?Thanks.
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The camera is a native 720P camera…why not shoot 720p24 24PN? FCP support that flawlessly. Then you can uprez later to 1080P in post and get the same (darn close to the same) result? 720p24 can be edited using firewire 800 drives and get you 3 streams of realtime video, and takes up very little space.
From what I understand, shooting 1080P with that camera gets you about 5-10% better quality, which is very minor. And working with 1080P requires faster drives, more storage space and you get less realtime effects.
I am editing a broadcast TV documentary that is slated for 1080P24 mastering on DVCAM SR….but we shot 720p24 and am uisng G-RAIDS for storage. Very slick workflow.
Shane
Alokut Productions
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Shane, T
hanks for the comments. I’ll definitely consider it.
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[Zacklg] “We’ve ordered the update to 5.1, but in the meantime we’d like to keep shooting. Is it possible to save the raw media on the P2 cards to a hard drive to be imported into FCP later? Or do you always have to go straight into FCP with the media from the P2 cards?
Knowing that we are going to output to film later, are their any settings to avoid?”Hi,
Yes you can save the MXF files on an HDD till your 5.1 arrives. Move your footage off the cards into new folders that you have named in a fashion that makes it easy for you to remember what is on the card. Once you insert the P2 card to the laptop you will see a CONTENTS folder and a lastclip.txt file, move both of these to their new home in the new folder that you have created.
Then when you start up FCP and you ask it to import P2, you direct it to these folders and it will do the rest once it sees the CONTENTS folder.
Hope this helps.
Jan
Jan Crittenden Livingston
Product Manager, DVCPRO, DVCPRO50, AG-DVX100
Panasonic Broadcast & TV Systems -
I’ve been editing 1080pa footage in FCP 5.1 and it looks great but It converts it to 29.97 wth a pull down. Looks like telecined film.
Aloha
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Jan,
Thank you for your comments. Very helpful.
So saving the raw media that way will not affect how FCP interprets the media? The files will still import to FCP just as we shot them with the HVX? What about the issue of FCP importing 1080 24PA footage as 29.97? We would like to edit at 24 so when we output to film it is a smooth process, frame for frame.
Thanks,
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[zacklg] ” What about the issue of FCP importing 1080 24PA footage as 29.97? We would like to edit at 24 so when we output to film it is a smooth process, frame for frame.”
While I have not done it, I imagine much like the SD product, you set up the capture as the 29.97 rate, then set your sequence to 23.98, with a check on the remove 2:3:3:2 pulldown. Then import Panasonic P2 and by the time the stuff is in the bin it is 24P. Anybody have 5.1 loaded.
I just got mine and I don’t have my camera back from NAB just yet so my actual testing is a couple of days away. If you have both to access Zack try this and see what happens, I do believe it to be correct.
Best,
jan
Jan Crittenden Livingston
Product Manager, DVCPRO, DVCPRO50, AG-DVX100
Panasonic Broadcast & TV Systems -
[Jan Crittenden Livingston] “I imagine much like the SD product, you set up the capture as the 29.97 rate, then set your sequence to 23.98, with a check on the remove 2:3:3:2 pulldown. Then import Panasonic P2 and by the time the stuff is in the bin it is 24P. Anybody have 5.1 loaded.”
Correct jan, in 5.1 you have the ability to handle the 24pA footage in the same manner as one does with the
SD version of the Advanced pulldown removal.Zack the reason for the TC is at 29.97 is the standard for in-camera recording for interlaced captures- which are all at 60i.
The 108024pA footage is laid to tape( P2 card) as 60 interlaced fields that then need to be conformed back in to the 24psf frame structure of the 1080 24p format.
(HDCAM 1080 24psf footage is played back as 48i on most systems, also using the 29.97 time base.)gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows
Chicago, IL
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I’m running FCP 5.1, but unless I am missing something, I don’t see any sequence preset for DVCPRO 1080/24p.
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After you set your project up as 1080 60i go to sequence settings
and you will find 1080 24p. For some reason it is not a choice
when you do easy set-up??Mike Schrengohst
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In FCP 5.04 use the following workflow:
Import P2 files to FCP 5.04
Locate quicktime files in scratch disk folder
Use Cinema Tools Reverse Telecine to remove 2:3:3:2 24PA pulldown
Import new pull-down removed files into FCP
Drop new clips into DVCProHD 1080 24fps timeline
Voila! Frame for Frame 24 fps.
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