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  • HVX Charts Online from every format

    Posted by Luis Caffesse on January 11, 2006 at 5:11 pm

    Thanks to Mike Curtis at http://www.hdforindies.com
    I was able to do some shooting with the HVX a while back.
    One of the things we did was shoot a res chart in every format the camera had to offer.

    I’ve pulled stills from each clip and put them up on my site – though I’m not sure how long my bandwidth will last.

    The charts probably shouldn’t be used to compare with other charts from other cameras – the only way I think you can do a real cam to cam comparison is to have the same person shoot the same chart at the same location with the same settings, etc. But, I found these charts great to compare each format against the others from the HVX.

    The settings were as follows (unless noted otherwise by the file name):

    FStop: 4.0

    Zoom: Z74

    Gain: ZERO

    Detail: ZERO

    Gamma:
    HDNorm (for HD shots)
    SDNorm (for SD shots)

    All other settings were at factory defaults.

    You can check out the charts here (until we find a better place to host them)
    [url]www.pitchproductions.com/HVX[/url]

    The files are in TIFF format
    I also uploaded a zip file that contains all the TIFFs so you can just download that if you want to see all of them.

    Luis Caffesse
    Pitch Productions, LLC
    Austin, Texas

    Toke replied 20 years, 3 months ago 4 Members · 8 Replies
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  • Luis Caffesse

    January 11, 2006 at 5:28 pm

    Unfortunately, after only a few minutes I had to pull the charts offline.

    It seems people couldn’t view the charts for what they were, and I’m afraid that many will pull inaccurate numbers from these charts even after I’ve stressed that they should only be used as means of comparisson between the different formats.

    The charts are not accurate and numbers can’t be pulled from them.
    The last thing I want is to be seen as a source of misinformation or bias – so I’ve decided to pull the charts offline.

    Sorry about that.

    Luis Caffesse
    Pitch Productions, LLC
    Austin, Texas

  • Toke

    January 12, 2006 at 1:39 am

    Could you at least tell if there were any difference between 1080 and 720?

  • Luis Caffesse

    January 12, 2006 at 2:07 am

    I saw a pretty significant difference between the 1080 and 720 modes.
    That was the main thing I was looking for.

    It seems clear that the 1080 image is higher resolution, not simply more pixel shifting.
    I will say though that the 720 footage I’ve shot so far seems cleaner than the 1080 footage.
    Not by much, but the noise is more noticeable in 1080 than 720.

    Keep in mind, that’s when I’m LOOKING for noise.
    I don’t want anyone to think that the noise in 1080 is bad, or unusable…
    Far from it.

    Luis Caffesse
    Pitch Productions, LLC
    Austin, Texas

  • Blub06

    January 12, 2006 at 5:47 am

    So much for respecting our intelligence!

    I smell a rat. Put another way, I think you have been encouraged to take the information away for who knows what reason.

    Let the information flow, we will get it eventually, why not here, why not now?

    Chris

  • Luis Caffesse

    January 12, 2006 at 1:25 pm

    [Blub] “So much for respecting our intelligence!

    I smell a rat. Put another way, I think you have been encouraged to take the information away for who knows what reason.

    Let the information flow, we will get it eventually, why not here, why not now?

    Chris”

    You can’t be serious?

    Chris – I do respect your intelligence, but it’s more important to me not to spread misinformation.
    The charts we shot could easily be misconstrued, and I don’t want that.
    No conspiracy here.

    Barry Green put together a great 4way camera test yesterday (Sony, Panasonic, Canon, JVC).
    He should have some results up soon enough.

    Luis Caffesse
    Pitch Productions, LLC
    Austin, Texas

  • Rennie Klymyk

    January 12, 2006 at 3:05 pm

    I agree with Luis. Res charts need to be properly lit and aligned on axis with exacting accuracy. Also you can buy them online on cd and print your own so there’s all kinds out there. Quality printed charts on proper stock is essential for accurate testing. I’m not saying your charts or methods are not good Luis but I agree with your limiting your testing to comparisons of the formats only.

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  • Toke

    January 12, 2006 at 9:08 pm

    [Luis Caffesse] “I saw a pretty significant difference between the 1080 and 720 modes.”

    Ok, this might be good or bad thing.
    What f-stop did you use?
    Did you use any other f-stop for comparison?

  • Toke

    January 14, 2006 at 1:23 am

    [toke lahti] “Ok, this might be good or bad thing.
    What f-stop did you use?
    Did you use any other f-stop for comparison?”

    More questions;
    Now that I’ve understood that my consern about horiz res was useless because I didn’t notice that people were talking about “lines per height” (my apologies for this mistake, Jan and everyone), I’d like to know if there were any differences between 1080i and 1080p with vert res?

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