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“Issues” or items to consider with HVX-200 1. P2 not necessary (cool). 2. Archiving? 3. Stealth Controller?
After checking out Sony and the JVC HDV camcorder (it sure is pretty), it is clear to me that the Panny has by far the most potential and for a few thousand $ extra (firestore drives and HD ready computers & editing suite). Drop out is bad enough, who wants to play around with it in HDV?
In my market, (corp/college performing arts/community TV/extreme indie film), there will be no need for HD for several years at least. Why not pay and extra couple k instead of buying lens adapters for my DVX-100’s and grab this camera?
1. My biggest concern is Archiving. How do we do it and how much will it cost? What is the shelf life of a hard drive (you will need 2 because they can’t be trusted).
2. Will the old stealth controller still work? Camera looks like a DVX-100 front end with a new back end on it.
3. By the time I need to shoot HD, hard drives will be insanely cheap, no need for P2 unless you want it. In theory this could be a good work horse camera for 5-10 years like PD-150 was.
Thoughts? Ideas? Comments?
This in my opinion could be the most exciting developement for my business since we started. Super cool stuff. Home equity loan baby!
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[Superfly] “My biggest concern is Archiving. How do we do it and how much will it cost? What is the shelf life of a hard drive (you will need 2 because they can’t be trusted).”
I don’t think hard drives sitting on a shelf would be the best choice for archiving. I’m thinking that short-term you can archive a 4gb P2 card onto a 50-cent DVD-R, and an 8gb card can be archived onto a dual-layer DVD. For larger capacity, DLT drives may make sense. Eventually I think we’re all waiting for high-capacity cheap blu-ray or HD-DVD burners. And, don’t forget you can always archive on DVCPRO-HD tape if you want to, although that’s the lamest way to go (because you lose all the metadata, and HD tape isn’t cheap). And there’s a promising new holographic blue laser storage technology that Toshiba just dumped a bunch of money into, which promises 200gb or more on a $1 sheet of film…[Superfly] “Will the old stealth controller still work? Camera looks like a DVX-100 front end with a new back end on it.”
Yes your old stealth controller will work. There’s an additional remote focus port, so newly-designed controllers will work for both zoom and focus (and iris), but it retains backward compatibility with the old zoom controllers. And batteries too.
[Superfly] “By the time I need to shoot HD, hard drives will be insanely cheap, no need for P2 unless you want it. In theory this could be a good work horse camera for 5-10 years like PD-150 was.”
Correct. It has a DV tape drive so it can be used immediately for DV purposes (but it’s a killer DV camera with 16:9 and the ability to do variable frame rates, etc). Then there’s P2 cards, and firewire streaming (which lets you record to a DVCPRO-HD-compatible FireStore, to DVCPRO-HD tape, or to a computer right away without ever needing to buy a P2 card). And cards should come down rapidly in price, the same way SD and CompactFlash cards have.
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How long does a DVD last compared to a DV master series tape?
What is teh idea storage conditions for this media?
How would it compare to A.) Film B.) Metal particle tape C.) hard drive storage?
The archive issue is an issue with this camera, for lower quality you can write the P2 information to DV (which is aquality hit) but to really save what you have shot it seems like a lot of work, even with the time savinf of not digitizing? You still will be copying and backing up media. There is no easy way around this except to ignore archiving, which we can’t. Just look at teh issue of repurposing media? On the other hand this will be great because it will already be digital, very handy.
I think about my I phot library. I have it in about three different places and I never erase media of the card until I have too. That will be the kind of approach I will have to take with P2.
David
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That is rich Sir!!!!
Chris
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Chris,
What the hell does that mean?
S.
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PS, what is “rich” is that some people may have to archive to HDV!
I will be archiving twice, on 2 hard drives which will be half the price per minute of Pro DV tape in two years (about the time I will start having occasional uses for HD).
S.
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Rich in this context means expensive, and with almost any protacal this new camera will cost you money you would otherwise not spend in post.
Chris
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LOL! As in “you’re going to have to be RICH!”
I guess I am a special case because right now my NEED is for a good native 16:9 progressive camera.
I don’t think anybody in my type of market will need HD for another 2-5 years. The majority of my customers just changed from VHS to DVD the Christmas before last (when the players got down to $40).
I believe the same will happen with HD. When the HD disk players get down to $100, then people will want that from us.
If my company Dreamscape Digital Media shoots our next indie this year, we may go with a firestore and a laptop to shoot with 2 of these Pannys.
YES, the JVC LOOKS beautiful, but will it LOOK beautiful? Unless I see something spectatular, I am sticking the the makers of my DVX and the Varicam.
Very, very exciting choices no matter how you slice it!
S.
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Me personaly, ya I will be backing them up to this new format out next year. 30 gig’s onto a $1 credit card size card. heres the link
https://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20050608/105586/
-Lars
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I’ve heard from other sites that the holographic drive in the USA will cost over $5000 next year and we will not see a price drop until the 300GB discs arrive sometime in 2007 or 2008. I’ve also heard that the write speed is less than 4x DVD speed and that is a major area they are trying to overcome.
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This thread has been great one! There is obviously much concern about this and there will be more debate about how we will find solutions to storing stuff once it is shot.
I still have my iphoto library in three different places. Trying to convince some producers that having no tape is a great thing won’t be all that easy. I think that it will be hard to convice every client to buy a 60 gig portable panasonic drive.
We’ll see.
David
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