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  • any box for 5.1/7.1 monitoring with FCP & DL-HDpro?

    Posted by Kurt Hennrich on November 26, 2005 at 3:39 pm

    I am looking for a not too expensive solution to get frame accurate 5.1 monitoring
    from FCP with DecklinkHDpro.
    at end I need analog signal to go into the amp.
    any ideas anyone?

    thanks,
    kurt

    Kurt Hennrich
    1z1screenworks
    1z1 tools for FCP : https://www.1z1.at/plugins/

    David Mallin replied 20 years, 5 months ago 5 Members · 9 Replies
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  • Nico Sandhof

    November 26, 2005 at 3:45 pm

    5.1/7.1 production in FCP? Well much fun! There wouldn’t a more suitable software be more meaningful?

  • Nico Sandhof

    November 26, 2005 at 3:48 pm
  • Kurt Hennrich

    November 26, 2005 at 8:40 pm

    thank you nico for your answers, but:

    1) I am not produceing 5.1 in FCP, but very often I have to import the 6 channels I am getting from sound studios and align it in sync to video, for mastering and/or for going to DVD later. so I just need monitoring of at least 6 simultanous audio channels right from FCP as I do with allready encoded 5.1 sound from dvd-test burns via AV-receiver.

    2) concerning your suggestion: I guess that sound from an extra PCI-card will not be in sync to the video output of the Decklink card – so it doesnt seem to be an option or it would need adjustable audio delay.
    the right way would be to deembed audio from decklinks HD/SDI and D->A-convert the extracted channels.

    kurt

  • Nico Sandhof

    November 27, 2005 at 12:27 pm

    ich schreib mal auf deutsch, geht besser.
    dann nimm doch die multibridge, und an dem aes/ebu audio out(db-25 stecker 8audio kanaele) haengste zb den behringer digitalmixer ddx3216 ran.
    dafuer gibt es eine extra einschubkarte.
    der ist wiederum ueber softwareupdate voll 5.1 tauglich.
    insgesamt einen amtliche loesung fuer nicht allzuviel knete.
    video und audio sollten nun synchron laufen.

    gruesse aus norddeutschland,
    nico

    https://www.behringer.com/DDX3216/index.cfm?lang=GER

  • Sean Oneil

    November 27, 2005 at 10:36 pm

    I don’t speak German so I don’t know what nico just said, but your best solution would be a Multibridge. This will give you 8 channels analog output. You simply set up the audio tracks in your Final Cut sequence to achieve what you want.

    Sean

  • Juan Salvo

    November 28, 2005 at 7:55 am

    The multibridge only gives you 4 channels analouge audio. We use a multibridge to feed 8 channel aes/ebu into our tascam dsm7.1 which handles our monitoring control. I think it’s the only solution available for what you’d like to do… all together this will run you about 3400 bucks. Not including cables, speakers and amps. Plus you stil need to now how to arrange and set-up a surround system.

  • Nico Sandhof

    November 28, 2005 at 8:04 am

    “I don’t speak German so I don’t know what nico just said, but your best solution would be a Multibridge. This will give you 8 channels analog output. You simply set up the audio tracks in your Final Cut sequence to achieve what you want.”

    No, the Multibridge has 4 channels analog output. But over “db25” 8 channels in 48kHz sample rate, 24 bit, aes/ebu in- and output. These can be connected with the audio mixer of Behringer.
    See times here:

    https://www.behringer.com/DDX3216/index.cfm?lang=ENG

    and here:

    https://www.behringer.com/AES808/index.cfm?lang=ENG

    The Breakoutbox of Behringer is not needed.

  • Kurt Hennrich

    November 28, 2005 at 12:38 pm

    [Juan Salvo] “We use a multibridge to feed 8 channel aes/ebu into our tascam dsm7.1 which handles our monitoring control. I think it’s the only solution available for what you’d like to do… all together this will run you about 3400 bucks”

    thank you all for your input.

    at the moment for me this issue is not worth that amount of money.
    though I allready have set up 5.1 amp & speakers and use it to test encoded/burned dvd’s
    the need to monitor 5.1 from FCP directly is only about 4-6 times a year.
    ++ I have found a cheaper ‘workaround’ to get pci-audio-playback in sync with decklink video:
    just select all audio in the timeline and press [+][4] buttons
    after finshed monitoring just move audio the reverse way.

    now I will write to Apple the wish to get independent audio/video delay settings built into FCP.
    for the moment situation is a bit bizarr: audio/video can be routed to different hardware but there is only one delay setting for both of them.

    kurt

  • David Mallin

    November 30, 2005 at 2:30 am

    You might want to check out the Pioneer VSX-815.
    https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4153_209695979,00.html

    I have one of these. I have both the Decklink Component Analog and Coaxial Digitial Audio routing through. The particularly nice thing is that it has a pre-out that I can use to send stereo signals into my much nicer amp to power the speakers. It also works as a component video switch, and will accept the optical audio from the G5 directly.

    The downside I’ve noticed is that I can no longer output 23.976 directly to the HDTV in either SD or HD, and let the TV do the pulldown. Now I have to have the Blackmagic card do it. It might be different if your display accepts and can run at 24P.

    David

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    David Mallin
    Cloudchaser Films LLC
    Santa Monica / San Francisco

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