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schoeps mk41 cmc6 u for vocals
recording a vocalist with a fairly wide dynamic range. I like the quality I am getting except for the occasional pop. what is the best way to handle this? Is it to train the vocalist to back off when projecting? Adding a pop filter? I am already riding the gain on our 302 mixer. Nothing clipped but I did get some sudden pops. What distance and angle do you recommend? Is there a capsule of this mike that is better for music? Given that the room is not very well acoustically treated would a shire dynamic vocal mike be better? I like the sound better with the schleps but maybe a less sensitive mike would be more forgiving?
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Hello Craig,
The Schoeps B5D pop filter is always a good choice.
https://www.schoeps.de/en/products/categories/hollow_screen
I have a pair of them and they do a nice job for slight disturbances.
You don’t want them singing directly into it as one might with the mic on a stand. I tried that once and found I had to put another foam filter on the tip of the B5D.
I have boomed from above and gotten good voice and instrument all on the same mic. Here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PyJJTybr7gRegards,
Ty Ford
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Thanks very helpful. If you were trying to feature a female voice with a sweet tone and a decent dynamic range over the instruments would you use schleps mk41 cmc6 with pop filter from above or an E6/sennheiser G3 or a shure dynamic/xlr?
Also what angle/distance are you using from above.
Also I think on my next try I will hang some blankets on either side of the talent because the studio is not sound treated and we are picking up b.g. noise.
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The Schoeps if the space is halfway decent.
Hanging blankets requires noise abatement, not acoustic treatment, which is what blankets would provide.
Schoeps at forehead height about a foot out, aimed at the mouth and chest.
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[Ty Ford] “Hanging blankets requires noise abatement, not acoustic treatment, which is what blankets would provide.
“I don’t follow this. Wouldn’t blocking sound from the outside and absorbing sound so as to prevent echo be a good thing. Isn’t this treatment?
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Sorry, not enough coffee yet this morning. 🙂
Hanging blankets will not stop sound from the outside.
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But they will help with echoes? Here’s a clip from the last shoot. We used three cams and green screen. This is one that shows the mike placement and not edited yet in terms of keying. I’d never used this mike before for music. With dialog I have placed it just as you suggested. I only have one and its the best mike I have.
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Well, you have two people playing and one singing. Sounds good, but I’d want to hear more of her uke and his guitar.
One mic can only capture so much Have them play the song. Put headphones on. Move the mic above her angled down and a little to camera left so it catches his playing too. So you’re getting the whole performance on one mic. Not impossible at all. It does take some positioning and the players/singers performing at relatively constant levels.
When you get the best mix in your headphones, record them.
Blankets will reduce reflections that cause echoes. If you only have two blankets, usually putting them on adjacent walls in a square or rectangular room works best. I don’t hear echoes on this clip.
I had two Schoeps overhead on this clip. Mostly over Shuviel (on the right). One of them was angled a bit to camera left to pickup Josh’s guitar work. I probably could have done it with one mic, but I already had two up. I added some reverb to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1SttlS3llk
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Thanks Ty. There is a second mike on his guitar but I kept the levels low. You can see it if you go full screen. So you can blame me for that not mike placement. I think this song is all about her voice and lyrics. But when she leaned into the mike later on she poped. On the first clip you can hear the popping and on the second you can hear his guitar mike. Will the foam that came with the mike prevent the popping or just train her not to lean in on this kind of mike – yes I will try the over head position which will also pick up her uke. On a previous session his guitar dominated her voice and I wanted to correct for his. Perhaps overcompensated. Of course if I recorded to different channels I could remix it.
schoeps mk41 cmc6 for vocals pop
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yep, remix.
Keep her away from mic. Either from above so you get more uke or angled so you do.
Tell he the mic reaches out to her and she doesn’t need to sing to it. She how she does with that.
Amazingly directional those cmc641, aren’t they.
Regards,
Ty
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Well I recorded to center channel for both so I’ll have to reshoot. I love that mike. She is used to the shure where I told her when she went soft that she could practically eat it. I’ll remind her of the difference.
Will the foam that came with the schoeps help a bit with breath and pop sounds?
BTW I did monitor with headphones and the guitars were more upfront when I monitored live. I could clearly hear her uke though still lower than voice and his guitar was clear enough.
OT: these short clips I uploaded took forever. How do you get yours into the cow posts?
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