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The dumb questions are the ones you dont ask -right?!
Hi there. As someone who is fairly new to all this I have been an avid reader of the forum for a while now and found it hugely helpful as a newbie !! So thank you all for contributing to my knowledge. As a regular on other fora for my other hobbies I know how important information, sharing ideas and the general community can be. There are some obviously very wise people here and I am unlikely to be able to add much at this stage but hopefully the questions I ask may be of use to some other newb !!
I’ve been learning Vegas for a few months now but I am still unsure on particular aspects of timeline and render selection. Basically I like to make little movies with onboard footage from my motorcycle or when I am scuba diving. As you can imagine this footage is from a GoPro or a Drift HD Ghost. I will also use footage from my Canon Eos60D for say around 10% – 20% of the edit. I have found that recording at 60p on bike is better to reduce the slight ‘jello effect’ I get sometimes in 30p despite experimenting with different mounts. Simply selecting 60p for those baby cams makes a big difference but as you can imagine each recording device has it’s own particular resolution vs frame-rate settings. Now what I do know is to stick with frame rates that are easily divisible i.e. 30p/60p etc… but I dont know what to do with project properties.
My GoPro (Black edition) is usually set to 1080p – 60
My Drift Ghost HD is usually set to 720 -60
My Canon 60D is usually set to 1080p – 30 (as 60 is not available other than 720p)The only common setting I can set all devices to is 720p – 60
I do not burn any DVD’s and my own viewing is done on my Dell ips screen or iPad although I am uploading to Vimeo so that friends and family can view them too.
So the areas I could do with a little help with are ;
1) If I were to shoot everything in 720 – 60 the timeline is easy to figure but is the quality loss from not using 1080 where possible going to frustrate me as I get better at distinguishing between the two?
2) If I stick with the hotchpotch of settings I currently use in each of the cameras what project setting would you use?
3) Currently I have just been setting up a timeline for 720-60 as I guessed that it might be better to downscale to 1080 than upscale the 720 although not sure if thats true ! I’ve been rendering in 720-30 Sony AVC as this seems to work and at a lower file size but value any comment on anything I could/ should be doing in my choice of resolution & frame rates
I am extremely grateful for any advice you can give me as after extensive searches I haven’t been able to find the right answer yet.
Cheers
Graham
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[Graham Broad] “1) If I were to shoot everything in 720 – 60 the timeline is easy to figure but is the quality loss from not using 1080 where possible going to frustrate me as I get better at distinguishing between the two? “
I would not do this. Since two of your three sources are 1080 and I would stick with a 1080 timeline.
[Graham Broad] “2) If I stick with the hotchpotch of settings I currently use in each of the cameras what project setting would you use?”
I would use the HD 1080-60i (1920×1080, 29.970 fps) project setting since that’s probably the format that you will most likely deliver in.
[Graham Broad] “3) Currently I have just been setting up a timeline for 720-60 as I guessed that it might be better to downscale to 1080 than upscale the 720 although not sure if thats true ! I’ve been rendering in 720-30 Sony AVC as this seems to work and at a lower file size but value any comment on anything I could/ should be doing in my choice of resolution & frame rates”
Upscalling the 720 to 1080 shouldn’t look too bad. You could add a bit of sharpening or use a plug-in like BCC UpRez from Boris Continuum Complete. Render with Best settings since you are resizing. See how it looks.
~jr
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Thanks for the help John, its very much appreciated.
So I’m guessing the ‘general rule’ is that in most cases when settng the properties its better to go with the higher resolution of the dominant footage and tweek the lower resolution stuff as best possible?
Does it matter to have 30fps and 60fps in the same 30fps timeline suggested? Presumably then Vegas Pro10 just sorts it all out includng any slow-mo work I do on the 60fps stuff?
Thanks again!
Graham
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My logic is, “why throw out all that 1080 footage just because 1/3 of it is 720?” Of course, if the 720 looks bad when upscaled you may decide differently. If the 60p footage shows ghosting, just disable resample on the events that are giving you trouble. Otherwise Vegas Pro will take care of the conversion for you.
~jr
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Understood thanks John, I’ve found that disabling resample is indeed required quite often!
Cheers
Graham
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