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Project Properties vs Output?
Ok. I posted a reply to a in which thread here in which I stated that Project Properties had no effect on rendered output and that they were there to make preview work better. AFAIK nobody said I was wrong.
All of my experience and experiment so far has shown me no relationship between the rendered output and the Project Properties.
Yet is continual reference to the Project Properties and their effect on output.
I have asked in several places and had many replies that say the Properties _do_ affect renders. But none of them really told me how, and experiments to understand the explanations offered have not convinced me. Maybe it only affects some renders and not others?
Maybe I just do not use those parts (I am very hands-on and do not use any auto stuff)Is there somewhere that lays this out, showing exactly what output is affected by Project Properties?
Advice appreciated.
EDIT: I have just read a post that said that there is no connection, unless you ask to render as per the project settings.I actually can’t find that setting and I would not use it. Too many of my efforts are output in various formats anyway.
Nick
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Nick, welcome to VEGAS!
“You want the pickle? You got the pickle!
You don’t want the pickle? You don’t got the pickle!”
What you are discovering, took me years, that there are several places where you can “force” a render to a format or just go with the Project Settings. Vegas “deals” with these things in what has been regarded, as a major loosy-goosey way.
My advise?:
A] Get the Project Settings matched to the majority of my Video Media – this is a good place to start!
B] Any Media that constitutes a minority of the total and IS not creating an issue, let Vegas deal with it. If it IS creating an issue, re-render to match the the Majority.
C] Unless there is a very good reason do NOT activate the alter Media to match the render setting in Project Settings.
D] Render to that format which is needed: MPG2 and AC3 for DVD; the flavours for the INTERNET; Archiving and the need for laying-off for further future proofed – yeah right . . . – editing
I really hope this helps? You are NOT alone.
Vegas? It can be everything to everybody . . and there lies the need for a selective process.
Grazie
Video Content Creator and Potter
PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti
Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX50HS Bridge -
HAH! Thanks mate! Many a true word spoken in sarcasm!
Good. It pretty much confirms what I thought….. and while that always sounds as if I hear what I want :D, it also supports what I had found by repeatedly trying to get the Properties to affect output.
What exactly does that Alter Media thing do? I am assuming it does not really modify my source (shudder). Does it make a copy, or interpret on the fly? Help is a bit minimalist here….
Thanks again
Nick
Head: Hertz Music -
Oh! No sarcasm intended. It did take me years for this particular penny to drop AND what Vegas does is amazing.
Glad you found my hair-pulling-out experience of value. Again, no sarcasm intended – it just comes kinda natural to me!
Grazie
Video Content Creator and Potter
PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti
Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX50HS Bridge -
Hey Nick–
Well, because MOI asked the very same question when I started, I got a pretty thorough reply back from John Rofrano and saved it. Here’s what’s pasted from my Vegas cheat sheet:
Project Settings: These are for the human while editing. Vegas (unlike many other NLE’s) will dynamically show you everything as if it all matched the project properties. For example, if you set them to progressive, Vegas will deinterlace any interlaced footage on the timeline on-the-fly to show you what your project would look like as if it were progressive. This is why I usually recommend that your project properties match your render properties because only then will you get true WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get). Sometimes you can’t do this because you are rendering to multiple formats. Then I recommend that you set your project to match the format of your source. Having your project match the format of your source has an added advantage that Vegas doesn’t have to convert anything on-the-fly and so playback performance is better.
Even/Media Properties: These MUST be set to match what the media really is. They should only be changed if Vegas interprets your media incorrectly. (e.g., Vegas thinks your media is Upper Field First when it’s really Lower Field First). NEVER set these to something that doesn’t actually match the real media because this is how Vegas knows if it needs to deinterlace or change the field order. (e.g., don’t lie to Vegas and tell it something is progressive when it’s not, the results won’t be pretty). The only exception is if you are using a plug-in that asks you to change these settings. Once such plug-in is BCC UpRez which asks that you set interlaced footage to progressive because UpRez will handle the deinterlacing for you.
Render Properties: These can be anything you want and obviously should reflect your final desired format. This how you turn 16:9 into 4:3 or interlaced into progressive. If you’ve set your project up properly and all of your media is set properly, rendering should never surprise you and always give you what you asked for.
–Kelly
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Wow, thanks for saving that and reposting! You just prompted me to start my own Cheat Sheet made up of Rofranoisms :^)
Have a great day.
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AFAIK that applies to Pro only. I have never seen those options. I use Studio.
Also, are you sure they affect render? It may be that they affect SOME renders, where you don’t bother to set your own values. But I STILL believe that the Project Properties are about editing and not rendering.
Nick
Head: Hertz Music -
I’m not sure about all render templates, but many of them use project properties by default (at least in Pro version):
You can override these properties in custom render templates. Final rendering template settings override the setting in the Project Properties dialog
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Wow! I have never seen that option in Studio. Cannot BELIEVE that Pro would offer that silly choice, given that it’s just ….stuffed.
Nick
Head: Hertz Music
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