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Can I use the scopes on Vegas 11 to calibrate my camera?
I’m beginning to think this capability is excluded from Vegas Pro 11 (although I can’t think why) because I can find no reference on how to do it anywhere.
I’d like to calibrate my Sony HDR FX1 camera with my Sekonic 758cine light meter as described in this video:
https://provideocoalition.com/index.php/freshdv/video/calibrating_a_light_meter_for_digital_video/The presenter states that if your camera doesn’t have a spot meter, you can connect it to your computer & use the waveform on your NLE to proceed.
And Vegas IS an NLE…
The thing is, it doesn’t appear that Vegas Pro 11 can use its waveform for a live feed – it only looks at clips.
Is it possible to perform this procedure using Vegas Pro 11? If so, how?
I hate to be picky about replies while asking a favor like this, but I’ve been Googling this question for hours, and I would really appreciate it if everyone could grit their teeth and NOT post one of those ubiquitous but useless “I’m not going to give the answer but here’s why you shouldn’t be asking it” replies.
Of course, if the answer is “this isn’t possible”, that’s at least an answer.
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Yeah, dont think its possible that way Jim.
Steve Rhoden
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[Jim Johnson] “Is it possible to perform this procedure using Vegas Pro 11? If so, how?”
This isn’t possible with Vegas Pro.
You can do this with Adobe OnLocation CS5. For some reason (other than they seem to like buying other companies incredible products just to kill them!) Adobe doesn’t ship OnLocation with CS6 so you need to find an old copy of CS5. 🙁
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Thanks, guys. I was starting to be sure that would be the answer, but I was hesitant to drop more money on more software without being positive.
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They will be killing SpeedGrade soon also.
Man, I also remember what they did with Serious magic ultra 2.Steve Rhoden
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OnLocation was superseded by Prelude. The Ultra keyer is part of Premiere as an effect, but Adobe has commented on the issues and lack of demand for the virtual backgrounds so they aren’t dumping resources into it.
Once Adobe purchased Iridas, they had Speedgrade in the suite in less than a year. Engineering efforts were, I can only assume, to focus on taking a highend niche product and tweaking it so it could be deployed on many different systems.
Sure Adobe has merged technologies like Ultra or OnLocation, they’ve also acquired software that has flourished like Flash, Dreamweaver, and Audition (formerly cool edit pro).
Adobe rarely kills an entire product, so I strongly consider Speedgrade safe besides the fact it has an embedded userbase from Iridas clients. They don’t have a history of doing what Apple did to Shake, for instance.
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[Steve Rhoden] “Man, I also remember what they did with Serious magic ultra 2.”
Yea, me too that’s what I was referring to. DV Rack and Ultra were the BEST applications of their kind. Thank you Adobe for killing perfectly good software.
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[Angelo Lorenzo] “OnLocation was superseded by Prelude”
I’m not sure what you mean. Prelude is in no way shape or form a replacement for OnLocation. It does not capture live video, it has no waveform monitor, or vector scope, it does not allow fullscreen preview of live source while recording, etc. It’s just a file-based ingest meta-data application.
Adobe simply dropped the ball with OnLocation. There is no replacement in the industry anywhere with the same capabilities.
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I am saying that Adobe has shifted from tape-based ingestion to support more progressive tapeless workflows. From their site:
“Sales of Adobe® OnLocation™ software ended on April 23, 2012. Development of Adobe OnLocation is being discontinued based on the growing trend in the video and broadcast industry toward tapeless, native workflows. To address the need for logging and ingest in preproduction tapeless workflows, Adobe is introducing Adobe Prelude™ CS6 software. Prelude is an ingest and logging tool that helps ensure your media is tagged with the right information and is easy to find, allowing for more efficient post-production workflows and improved lifecycle management of your footage.”
Who can blame them? Can you name a HDCAM camcorder released in 2011 or 2012? You’d be hard pressed. Granted, update cycles for people don’t preclude the use of older cameras but Adobe has chosen to concentrate on new technology.
OnLocation and Prelude still share many of the logging and metadata management features and I would say that this is the core.
Scopes went bye bye in Prelude because Prelude is no longer capturing media, just logging what’s been captured in the past… it’s not designed to emulate an on-set monitor for that reason. If you want scopes and HD-SDI capture, request it https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
Angelo Lorenzo
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Im sorry Angelo, Your points do not stand, As John also
further clarify my views. I could go way further pointing out
several other issues, …PageMaker…GoLive… but it
wouldn’t be necessary.The bottom line is still, Adobe keeps Acquiring great tools
and what they dont kill they assimilate into their Suite after
striping it down of what made them great in the first place.One might say they save several softwares that was going nowhere
in the first place, but then again, if they were going downhill
why would Adobe acquire them?Steve Rhoden
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[Angelo Lorenzo] “”Sales of Adobe® OnLocation™ software ended on April 23, 2012. Development of Adobe OnLocation is being discontinued based on the growing trend in the video and broadcast industry toward tapeless, native workflows. …Who can blame them? Can you name a HDCAM camcorder released in 2011 or 2012? “
I can blame them. 😉 I have a Sony Z1U and A1U and I have no problem with them moving forward to support new tapeless workflows. In fact, that was one of the reasons I used DV Rack, and DV Rack HD, and OnLocation… because it was TAPELESS!!!
There was no reason to kill a product that was perfect. I’m a software developer as well as a video editor so I understand both industries. DV Rack HD was perfect. Nothing needed to be added. Then Adobe bought it an assimilated it into their suite as OnLocation. Fine. It was still perfect. Why kill it? It’s OK to stop development on it. Don’t spend another penny on it. Say that it’s the HDV solution and you’re not expanding it. I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is not being able to buy it anymore.
Look at Sony Vegas Pro 11.0 with VidCap 6.0. Sony hasn’t updated the DV capture utility since Vegas 6!!! There was no reason to.. it works. What if Sony removed VidCap 6.0 from Vegas because “everyone is tapeless now”, or “everyone is HD so who needs a DV capture”. That would be ridiculous! It’s not broke, just include it with the package and that’s what Sony does. That’s not what Adobe does. Adobe tries to force you into new workflows that you don’t want to go to and that’s wrong!
This is the problem I had with Ultra 2. I owned CS2 and Ultra 2 and never upgraded to CS3 when Adobe bought Serious Magic and when I upgraded to CS4 it wasn’t in the suite anymore. So I never got the opportunity to buy it from Adobe and you can’t get your license key activated for Serious Magic Ultra 2 anymore. So that’s money thrown way because of their draconian copy protection. Same is true for DV Rack HD. I am one of the original customers from Serious Magic and Adobe pulled some of their own “serious magic” when they bought it and made it DISAPPEAR !!!. I think most Serious Magic customers like me feel Seriously Betrayed by Adobe. Can you blame us?
~jr
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