Tony West
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[Oliver Peters] “This whole rabbit hole of a discussion seems to have started with the presumption that if Walter Murch had reached out to the Apple team he would have gotten exactly the same level of support that Adobe is providing. I just don’t believe that’s the case. “
It didn’t really need to be a ribbit hole really. Ronny ended it with his comment about Apple listening to his big company.
You accepted that from him.
My point is that I believe if they listened to Ronny’s company they would listen to Murch as well.
That’s all.Now climb out of the hole : )
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[Oliver Peters] “[Tony West] “If I need help and ask Apple for it and they respond to solve my problem.
”PS: By that definition many – maybe all on this list – have received direct help from Apple through their Feedback page. I don’t view that as the same thing in the context of this conversation.
“You didn’t really answer my question. Why was Cioni sending that letter in the first place. Do you KNOW or are you guess like anybody could do?
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[Oliver Peters] ” his letter seems to be”
But you don’t know for certain what he is discussing with them? You are guessing?
Maybe you could get in touch with him and ask him about the details.
I’m curious.[Oliver Peters] “his company rents DIT systems and quite a number of Media Composer systems, because that best serves his market and customers.
“could be, but he is dong a good job demoing his product on X
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[Oliver Peters] “What do understand as direct support? “
What support means to me is “help” Here is the dictionary definition 2. give assistance to,
If I need help and ask Apple for it and they respond to solve my problem.
Michael Cioni is describing the letter he sent to Apple.
Did you ask Cioni why he sent that letter personally and what he expected back from it?
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[Oliver Peters] “True, but there was no direct support.”
How do you know that Oliver?
Did he tell you that personally?
That’s not what he is saying on stage
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[Oliver Peters] “Apple is in communication with a lot of people. “
Not like that.
[Oliver Peters] “The question is whether they directly act on the suggestions.
“There is no need for them to be in that type of back in fourth with him if they are not going to do anything for
him.I never saw him say anything negative about Apple
[Oliver Peters] “Actually if they failed, the editors would have been fired “
That wouldn’t have helped Apple though. They had a vested interest in them succeeding. That’s pretty obvious to me.
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[Oliver Peters] “[Tony West] “Oliver, remember how Apple changed the whole Library-Project set up?
Who’s idea was it for them to change that?”I don’t know. My opinion is that it was ProApps responding to negative customer feedback, but in a sense also a de facto admission they made a mistake. Maybe even through their own internal QA cycles they decided it wasn’t the best approach.”
It looks like they were working fine with it the old way before the change
Jan “We didn’t use a custom version of the software, it was the public version we used.”
Which caused problems when Apple updated FCPX to 10.1 in December of 2013. The addition of the Library structure and the changes to the way Events and Projects were stored caused some headaches for the team, but they were solved pretty quickly.
Take a look at part 1 in this link https://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/articles/1629-replay-the-light-iron-focus-event
Around 10:09 Cioni puts up a letter on screen that he wrote to Apple about how they are going to go about pulling this off. He is in communication with them from very early on.
This makes common sense to me. Apple had a great interest in this film being successful. It would be stupid for them to just leave them on their own and not help them.
If they failed. They would tell everybody that X —-fill in the blank
The success of this film would be Apple’s success.
If you go to Apple’s website now they have Focus on there as the first link, and why wouldn’t they?
It’s exactly what they wanted. A huge success with their software.
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[Andrew Kimery] “Apple makes products following its own, internal vision and, basically, users can either take it or leave it. “
I agree to certain point Andrew, this is just a matter of how much and to whom they will listen to right?
I don’t think if Joel told them to put tracks back they would, but I don’t think they would completely ignore him either. It’s semantics right?
I think they have a short list of folks they listen to and if anything they might be snubs about it : )
I’m sure there are folks telling Adobe to get rid of that subscription. They are not going to listen to that hahaha
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Oliver, remember how Apple changed the whole Library-Project set up?
Who’s idea was it for them to change that?
I thought the guys from Focus said they were in talks with Apple about that. (I’m too lazy to look it up)
Apple didn’t just change that on their own. They would have just put it out that way to begin with if that’s what they intended from the start right?
You guys might be right that Apple would not listen to Joel Coen but I won’t believe that until I hear it from Joel himself. He is going to have to say “Tony, Apple won’t take my call”.
Then I will say “shame on them” : ) -
[Jeff Markgraf] “I get that many people on this forum do not and will not accept the “trackless” audio of X. OK. To each his own. But attributing such views to Walter Murch, who has not made any actual statements about the issue, is simply inaccurate.”
Yes, I think I may have watched a different interview than others on here : )
I enjoyed the piece. I have to admit that I was distracted right off the bat by the framing of the shot.
All of that wasted space over to the right and the reversed look space.1. If you have to run the camera and conduct the interview yourself, reverse your key light and the position of the subject’s chair so you can give the correct look space. Instead of him looking back across his should the way he did.
2. Tuck that mic cable behind his jacket, and position it on the side that he is looking so he is not speaking away from the mic
This of course is just the style I would use, he may have been going for the exact look he got. Just different opinions like a lot of this stuff.
I’m interested in his opinion like many here because of his talent and experience, but he admitted to not really having any experience with X
I really prefer to hear from people that have put the program through it’s paces.
When he said that Adobe listened to him and “Joel Coen” ah…………yeah………of course they listened to Joel Coen. Does he really think that Apple would not take a call from Joel Coen if he said he wanted to cut his next film with X? They listen to those guy from Focus, why wouldn’t they listen to Coen?
That made me smile.He was very honest about his learning curve even on Pr
I respect that, and him.
Congrats Jeff on those cubbies beating my Cards, brother.