Tony West
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[Herb Sevush] “Tony. pardon me for intruding, but I think you have a misconception.”
That’s likely true Herb, and you’re never intruding : )
In the example the video in V2 goes with the audio in A3
When Simon moved those two clips he also selected the video clip that was in V1, so if I understand you, he only needed command G because he selected the video in V1 along with the other clips?
I guess what I’m saying is can you avoid using command G to move the video that is in V2 and it’s audio that is in A3?
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[Andrew Kimery] ” you meant you don’t have to worry about track patching?”
Correct.
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[Simon Ubsdell] “[Tony West] “It’s a really cool feature. How long has Premiere had that ability?”
I don’t know how long it’s been there, sorry. Quite a few years would be my guess, but I can’t say for sure. “
I have to admit I think it’s kind of odd that so many people who use Premiere as their main axe didn’t know about that feature with it being around for “Quite a few years” I guess they owe me and you for this conversation with helping them learn their program better.
[Simon Ubsdell] “But I would ask how often you actually intend to create an explicit connection when you use the Connect edit function.”
*That’s it right there* That’s the main difference. In your example you brought down a clip with video and audio. By “default” they were not connected. What I am saying is that I want them connected every time by default.
Just think about it for a minute, if the program defaults to a mode that is the opposite of what you want then you would spend time changing things to get back to your way. If on the other hand it defaults to the way you want it to you are not making those changes. i.e. clicking less.
Follow me?
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Simon, thanks a lot for making the video. I’m very visual so it really helps me to see what’s happening.
It’s a really cool feature. How long has Premiere had that ability?
As far as comparing the 2 I’d have to say that I of course prefer the single click q to dragging the video. Dragging is a drag : ) Once they get that added that task will pretty much be the same.
As far as moving the clips together, you first selected the clips, then hit command G to connect (group) them together.
Here I also prefer X because they would already be connected. You would just drag and go. No need to lasso anything and then group. In X, things being connect is the default mode and I prefer it that way (just a personal choice)
The last question is, you moved the clips to an open area. What would have happened if you had slid those clips into an area that was occupied by another clip. Would the clip move out of the way on it’s own, or would it overwrite the clip, or what? Just curious.
Thanks again for the neat video.
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[Simon Ubsdell] ” Premiere’s Overlay edit option allows you to do exactly what you are describing here.”
Can you post a link showing it Simon?
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[Oliver Peters] “Sometimes you don’t have that option.”
I pretty much always have that option. If I’m cutting a spot with VO I cut the VO first. That’s more important than music.
I add the music after, so I never come across having to move it. The extra step that you would take is not a step that I would take.
If I add the music first it’s because I’m cutting to the music. Like a highlight package.
Either way whatever is driving my piece is what goes in there first.
[Oliver Peters] “X simply presents a different way of working. Not better or worse. Not faster or slower.”
It’s faster form me because of the way I’m using it, and I’m pretty sure that it’s that way for others. Like when I see people separating their b-roll audio to drop it below just because they want it down there. Yeah, that would take THEM longer than me because I’m not doing that.
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[Neil Goodman] “It only starts working when you stop working.”
Agreed. I just tossed that in there as an example.
I don’t even use it most times. All I care about is that I can work in realtime with the material I throw in the timeline.
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[Oliver Peters] “But if you already have music there and then add VO, it goes below the music, which is typically not where you want it. “
I would just put the VO down first. So I’m not switching anything.
[Oliver Peters] “And control your track patching accordingly.”
I can control that with Lanes and I have the best of both worlds with the speed of swapping large sections with connected clips and the organization of Tracks.
This is a great example of what I’m talking about in what certain people don’t like about the timeline and what others do like. For example I will typically see people who are new to X detach their b-roll audio to put it below the primary.
I ask, “why did you do that” and they say “I just want it down there. It’s always been down there”
Audio being above their video like that freaks them out and they don’t like it. I tell them they can put it down there in Lanes, they don’t have to detach or, they can just leave it where it is. I say, “nobody at home will be able to tell your audio is above or below the primary. They just want to hear it mixed correctly.
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[Joe Marler] “I’ve heard of several Premiere editors who use FCPX for content organization then edit in Premiere.”
But why are they doing that? Why don’t they just finish in X? Is one of the reasons because they don’t like how the timeline works in X? (which is exactly what I said)
When X came out I didn’t see people complaining about the “database” or the” skimmer” (why would you complain about those things) They were complaining about the “timeline”.
Look at the trailer. Didn’t you see Michael Matzdorrff say “why don’t I understand this”
Do you really think he didn’t understand the “skimmer”? I don’t think that’s what he was talking about.
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[Andrew Kimery] ” In X aren’t you making both horizontal and vertical decisions when you are deciding whether or not a clip is part of the primary storyline or a connected clip/secondary storyline?”
You are leaving out the step of patching a track. I’m not patching a track. If I have music that I want to go below the primary and I hit q it’s going to automatically go below. If there is already vo there it would automatically drop it below that.