Shane Ross
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Make a 29.97 project…look at that clip in there. Or in a media player…does that clip still repeat frames?
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I will let you know that my mother DOES NOT have Davinci Resolve. You are SO WRONG!
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I don’t think she even uses the Resolve carpet cleaner…
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[Dave Will] “And how do you sync audio in Premiere so that the post house can go back to ALL the original audio after the edit is locked?”
We are talking SECOND SYSTEM audio here, right? Audio recorded separately from video? And you have slates and all that, right? If so, you make a merged clip in Premiere, based on IN points, like you would do in Avid or any other editor.
[Dave Will] “If you use multicam to sync audio, then you end up with those weird multicam files that are hard to work with. None of my editors like them (and neither do I). We spent an entire day trying to do multicam, and it’s just not practical for a feature. Too complicated and weird. It’s not how feature filmmakers work.”
Multicam is only used if you have multiple cameras. No, you use the MERGE CLIP option…that makes a new clip that is the camera video and second system audio.
[Dave Will] “And if you “merge clips” to sync audio, then you lose the connection to the original audio. Do a search under merge clips and you’ll see the problems you’ll encounter down the road with conforming.”
OH… OK… If this is a problem, if Premiere doesn’t merge video and audio clips properly, why are you using Premiere Pro? Avid doesn’t do this…Avid relinks to the audio properly. If the NLE you are planning to use doesn’t do something right for a process in the pipeline…don’t use it.
[Dave Will] “Not to mention the problem of syncing several thousand files in Premiere for a feature. “
Yeah, that’s normal. VERY normal. This is why you have assistant editors, or post facilities that do the syncing. This has been the process for quite some time.
[Dave Will] “Resolve speeds up the transcode but you lose audio metadata, Premiere lets you sync audio (unsatisfactorily, but at least it works) but you have to do them one at a time. On a feature film that’s insane.”
Wait…you said Premiere did it, but LOSES the metadata? Does it work or not? And have you worked on many features? I have worked on two, and several TV shows where, as the assistant editor, I did the audio syncing. Or, on one of the features, we had the telecine house do the syncing. It’s all done manually…has been for a while. Still is being done that way, except for some who use Pluraleyes. How else do you think this gets done? SOMEONE has to manually sync the audio.
[Dave Will] “What is the solution besides having a team of a dozen people slogging through the process?”
Well, feature films depending on budgets, have 1 to 4 AEs on staff. Or, if BIG BIG budget, they have a post facility that deals with all the dailies and digital intermediates do this. Smaller budgets, one to two AE’s doing the grouping, and sending to the editors to cut..while they continue to group.
[Dave Will] “1. Use Premiere and only have the timeline audio (with some handles) at turnover, thereby depriving sound editors of all the different audio track they may want to use — the lavs, the boom, etc.”
Yeh, dont’ ever do this. Not even sure why it’s a consideration…it shouldn’t even be a thought.
[Dave Will] “2. Go back to using legacy ’90s editing software. Also known as Avid. Clunky and annoying, and you feel stuck in the past, but at least it works.”
You aren’t going to get sympathy for me here. I use Avid daily. It’s clunky in some areas, but far surpasses Premiere in others. And it does what you want to do. If you need to sync sound, and that needs to get to audio post, and Premiere DOESN”T DO THAT…then Premiere isn’t the right tool for the job, as it fails in one pretty major area of need. If Avid does all this, properly, and it’s been my experience that it does…then use Avid.
I’m sure theres a way to do this, as more than a few features have been cut with Premiere (such as the first Deadpool). But I also know many editors don’t use Premiere specifically because of audio handoff issues…they tried, but the tools failed. So they went with Avid (Deadpool 2 cut on Avid).
Your workflow does seem to show a BIG problem with Premiere Pro and how it gets audio to post. the 2018 version has been reported to be full of all sorts of issues.
[Dave Will] “4. Give that AAF to the audio post house.
This means any audio we deleted in the timeline in the last three months will not be in this file. And the sound editor may need those. Oh well, too bad for us! That’s what we get for trying to use Premiere to make a feature.”This confuses me a bit….if you deleted audio from the timeline…then how could that get to the audio post house? WHat software goes “Oh, that audio you deleted, yeah, I figured you didn’t want to do that, so we’ll include it in the AAF.” The AAF sends information that is in the current timeline. If stuff was removed…then it won’t be there for the export. If you needed that stuff, don’t delete it. Why was it deleted?
Yeah, before you tackle your next film, do a lot of testing…perhaps sticking with an older version of Premiere Pro that does what is required, or go to a tool that does what is needed. Sorry that this means learning a tool you don’t want to…I get that. I tried to use FCX for a couple days to help a company out, and failed miserably…
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Correction…don’t SYNC in resolve and then make dailies. Make dailies in Resolve, and then sync your audio in Premiere Pro.
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I’ll be at the Off the Tracks thing, so we’ll get to berate each other in person..
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You know what? You’re right. I do get “triggered’ by your posts, and read them with my skewed view of you. I re-read and you are right, you didn’t do all the crap I accused you of. You were respectful…I flew off the handle.
Sorry about that.
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Bill…my point is that just because something works FOR YOU, doesn’t mean that it works for EVERYONE. This is always my point when talking to you, apparently. I’m glad that YOU no longer need to chase the hardware, and that Apple makes machines and software that make YOU more efficient and able to do what you need.
But YOU need to realize that there are OTHER PEOPLE out there too…people with different needs, different deliverables, different ways of doing things. Because of that, we have different hardware needs. Are we the minority? Sure, but we aren’t like 8 people. More like a few hundred thousand.
So YOU chiming in how everything Apple does is great and perfect and doesn’t need to change at all because YOU are happy and satisfied is pretty short sighted, and the center of my beef with you. Stop being self centered and only thinking about your needs. Be open to what others are asking too…and don’t try to shut us down because “Well, it works for ME so I can’t POSSIBLY SEE why YOU would need anything else.” If you could stop that…I might start respecting you again. But it’s that view, and your cult-like devotion to Apple that caused me to lose all respect for your opinion and POV.
But then here I am, responding to it. Stupid me…
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Bill…that’s good. That’s great that Apple has made hardware that’s perfect for you, and a LOT of it’s users. No, I am genuinely happy that iMacs and Laptops work for most people. I myself got by with a laptop that I plugged into a larger setup as my main machine for 4 years.
But then yes, there are those that need more…more than Apple is currently offering. And the more that they DID offer up to 2012, then decided that no, we DIDN’T need any of that and what we wanted instead is a small tube on our desk, with a dozen wires streaming from it to 2-3 external boxes that are either stand alone, or offer a place to put the thing we need. yeah, FAR MORE elegant than a tower with multiple things enclosed inside it. They also decided that we didn’t need to upgrade anything ourselves…like newer or better GPU, or more RAM, or more internal hard drives. Sure, YOU don’t need that, but that doesn’t mean NO ONE needs that.
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[Claude Lyneis] “That was fun to watch, but only 3 hours to do all the research he described? Obviously, he is no amateur”
He is a complete amateur at making a Hack…but not so much at building computers. BUT…as he mentioned in the video, there is a website dedicated for this, so they list ALL of the compatible parts, and have suggested builds, so you only have a limited number of components to look at.
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