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[Herb Sevush] “which includes an occasional afternoon nap on my hammock which is one of the more productive uses of my time”
LOL. More power to you! I think that’s all valid, however, you can’t really extrapolate to a larger market in that way. So even though you personally wouldn’t be able to justify the new Mac Pro, that doesn’t mean that others can’t.
I’m in the same boat; however, I wouldn’t say that some of the companies I work for won’t pull the trigger by the end of the year. Budgeting $10-12K for a moderate version of this machine is not off the table for them. Remember, if you got 10 years of life out of the old MP tower, you can reasonably expect the same on this one.
Amortized over 10 years (even with some interim updates), this Mac Pro makes more sense to me that paying $1K for an iPhone ☺
– Oliver
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[greg janza] “larger economic forces dictate rates and if freelancers aren’t flexible they’ll simply have less work offered to them.”
I’m with Shane. I don’t see that either. Lower rates, yes. But there are still rates. For example, one of my f/l gigs has been location edits for conferences. If I bring my laptop edit system there’s a kit fee. If they don’t like my rate for it, they have the option to supply me with a system. Some do, some don’t.
If I book a room in at a small production company or editorial boutique to edit for clients I bring in there, I still have to pay the host company a rental fee for the room and gear. That certainly gets added back into my invoice. Maybe with little or no mark-up, but I certainly don’t eat that cost. There’s quite a lot of companies with that sort of rental business model in NYC and LA.
I really don’t see those parameters being different in any market based on people I know around the country. What does tend to happen is flat bidding for a job; but in those cases, the bid includes some factor for gear.
– Oliver
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[Bill Davis] “The thinking is that this alone will yield massive benefits for ALL X users – and, of course – help the FCP X truly shine on the coming New MacPros. “
I doubt this would ever happen, but one interesting play would be if Apple automatically bundled its pro applications (FCPX, Motion, Compressor, Logic Pro X) with the purchase of a Mac Pro ☺
– Oliver
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[Herb Sevush] “But the difference is I don’t charge for my editing rig”
OK, I don’t understand that argument. I get that in your case, you may be charging a package price including complete creative services. But, if you are a freelance editor and not charging a kit fee for a laptop system or an hourly rate for a home studio, then you have only yourself to blame. A day rate for a home studio – editor + gear/room – should be minimum of $1K-2K/day in most medium US markets. If you aren’t charging that, then you are really on a slippery downward slope.
– Oliver
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[Winston A. Cely] “but I feel like Apple has covered all its bases in terms of hardware for professional editing.”
Completely agree. I think there’s a lot of “envy” going on, because some folks simply can’t afford/justify the top-of-the-line machine any longer. That’s OK. Any decent computer these days will give you real-time performance with 4K media, which is more than most editors are dealing with anyway. So there isn’t an need for many to make that jump.
– Oliver
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[Herb Sevush] “For grins I priced out a PC at ADK, a well known video integrator.”
Yes, I can do that too and have done so with companies like Puget. But it misses the point that this is not the arena that Apple is playing in.
Second, although an i9 will outperform a Xeon by the numbers – and is probably a better CPU for NLEs and AE – it is inherently not designed to run 24/7 flat out. The i9 certainly blurs those lines and is more than adequate for most content producers. Regardless, Intel gets a premium price for the Xeons over the Core series and that adds to the cost from the get-go.
So, can you spec a cheaper PC? Sure. But that is not a direct comparison part-for-part.
– Oliver
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[Brett Sherman] “I don’t think it’s assuming too much that this won’t be a huge commercial success”
I’m not sure that’s true, but it depends on how you define success. Obviously there’s a workstation market, otherwise, HP and Dell wouldn’t manufacture such machines.
I think the point that’s being lost is when the first Mac Pro tower was introduced (and previous Mac towers before it), generally there weren’t a lot of sufficiently powerful desktop machines for editing. Everything was a workstation. In the interim, desktops, all-in-ones, and laptops have become powerful enough to meet the needs of nearly every user.
I think Apple miscalculated with the 2013 Mac Pro, believing that the needs for a true workstation had been eliminated, i.e., no need for “trucks.” After all, that 2013 MP was a powerful desktop machine, but not a true workstation. With the 2019 MP, they are re-engaging with customers that actually still do need a “truck” and are willing to pay for it.
– Oliver
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[Dominic Deacon] “If the parts are worth $3k why pay $6k?”
The parts are more than that. Look up the pricing on Xeon CPU chips. An example:
https://www.cdw.com/product/Intel-Xeon-Gold-6128-3.4-GHz-processor/4872883?cm_cat=google&cm_ite=4872883&cm_pla=NA-NA-Intel_MC&cm_ven=acquirgy&ef_id=EAIaIQobChMIuejt0N3U4gIVBITICh1HegX0EAQYBCABEgKC0PD_BwE:G:s&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIuejt0N3U4gIVBITICh1HegX0EAQYBCABEgKC0PD_BwE&s_kwcid=AL!4223!3!243890702602!!!g!390217524708!
– Oliver
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For grins I priced out an HP Z8 in something that’s fairly close to the base configuration of the Mac Pro. $8K. You get a better 3 year warranty, but even with AppleCare on the MP, you are under that.
– Oliver
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But it’s nice to see that it still has a headphone jack ☺
– Oliver
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