Jon Fidler
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This is pretty much an endless debate isnt it. I agree Richard, clear concise meanings are the way to go, thanks.
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Yeah I have its over explained nonsense. But this still doesnt help me with the basic question I asked.
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Scott: I agree!
What I actually want to know is more basic as I completely get all the story stuff. In regards to the cinematography, such as colour, lighting and framing etc, the connotation will be directly linked to the denotation wont it?. Like Scott mentioned above with Vertigo, or as I said earlier, someone is sad in a rainstorm etc to give a cheesy example.
Ive heard all these weird theories how there is all this underlying ideological stuff going on and I just need some proper confirmation that its total nonsense.
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And how does this all work in regards to cinematography though, camera angle, colours etc etc
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Mark maybe you can help me out with something I need to know as you seem to have semiotics down. You hear about all these semiotic readings, but to me whats going on is clear as day.
The connotative meaning of a single shot will always be related to the denotative meaning, e.g if someone was glum and it was raining etc for a simple example. To me this is stuff I pick up on intuitively and I suspect most people do too. Isnt that the point of this stuff you just have a sense for it. To me like you said this is one of the most enjoyable things about editing being able to insert subliminal ideas.
Plus doesnt all this stuff just add up so its one overall meaning per shot anyway, its made out to sound so over complicated in these theory books and to me it sounds like something you could sum up in about thirty seconds.
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Yeah I agree thats a must, but I think once you go deeper than that and look for an underlying agenda it begins to get silly.
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How does politics actually fit into storytelling though. I mean unless the subject matter involves it, like the tv show Rome or something like the office where work politics is the forefront of the story, other than that im lost.
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Hi Oliver
No youre absolutely right, it was a total waste of time. All the things you mentioned I have taught myself in my spare time since and just wanted confirmation from working professionals that I can finally drop this extra nonsense!
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Im glad people on here agree. The way these people make it out to produce a film you need to be the new Karl Marx LOL.
Half of the time I pretty much rely on inutition, rhythm and storytelling knowledge to edit. Thats pretty much isnt it.
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The key debate imo seems to be if a film/tv show represents the dominant social political ideology or does it represent a social political view which is unique to the creator. To me the former idea is ridiculous and semi paranoid, am I right in thinking this?