[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Charlie Austin] “The I/O range, like any NLE, effects the entire timeline. Your edit will effect whatever you target.”

that’s actually not true. someone help me out here. i can overwrite to the primary, and the in out selection visible on the primary can be used to create a connected clip with those in out marks. but who cares – it looks stupid the minute the software declares the selection IO as live on the primary and then allows the action to take place with a new connected clip insert command. mind you -what about the connected clip that was already there over the primary that I wanted to overwrite. no you fool, I can’t use the IO marks on that – it’s not the bloody primary.

god the mad stupid.

apple only knows how to present the IO selection on the primary, because its the primary, apple don’t know how to make an audio overwrite, because they made VA lozenges that don’t allow it. apple knows a set of preset things they have burned into the timeline.

the issue is with the lack of space outside the declared dunces prize primary. that there is no real extant timeline.

(sorry bud – old hits charlie 🙂

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Charlie Austin] “so I must be doing something wrong.”

no charlie – you know the thing. I’m just unwilling to go through that.

[Charlie Austin] “All I know, is that I am cutting today in the perfectly realised, nicely ordered, beloved FCP 7 timeline. It is awful. “

no its not. It’s still better than the guild protected lunacy of avid, it’s less preferable than premiere CC – but it’s still in its bones a class act.

bachelder pause

FCP was a classy, decade long transformative gift. Apple built it like they meant it. with a team to match. it’s an old aircraft carrier, but they did build an aircraft carrier.
do you think there is a similar squad with X. or that some stuff really needs to get fixed.

aperture is apparently probably dead as of yesterday. not that anyone says that happily.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

I haven’t gone in for this in a long time, and I do apparently hate, with little skill, every other editing system bar legend,

but of all of them X is the only one where X proponents can sit there mashing nails, muffins and pipe fittings together, hold the lump up and go – see? it works a treat, you just have to get your head around it.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

you can do that tho – the issue is with secondaries no? or do you mean a paste action as opposed to an overwrite?

edit – i just booted it up – actually why in the sweet hell can’t I set in out points on a connected clip above the primary? Is that actually the way things are?

io keyboard selection still only exists on the primary? I even got that stupid dot onto the connected clip? I set io and I just watch it select the primary every time. I wanted to declare an edit in out range, not V1 clip range select. oh good sweet christ the stupid. man this thing.

I don’t use it enough but my. god. almighty.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

fair enough I overdid but listen to this – this below is a solution right? that a casual editor might read? enter mr. garchow:

So don’t detach audio, instead use the audio with the video, but keep it underneath the primary. Shift-f to match frame, q to add as connected, drag it underneath the primary and use it as an audio clip. This way you a have synced audio and video to whatever clip you are working on. You don’t need sync markers as everything is in sync with itself if you need it. You can always change the stacking order to prioritize what video is available, or use a composite mode to send a layer to the back.

when I say that sounds crazy, its because I mean that sounds crazy, the fact that composite modes got thrown in for fun there at the end leads me to suspect that garchow is possibly slightly in on the joke here.

Some of FCPX is crazy, wild attempts to ignore the crazy might be characterised as having imbibed a cup of the kool aid. If there was one place to constructively prod apple – this is definitely one of them. PIOPS people. you’d have to think they were still reading this place back then. Although garchow hasn’t forgiven anyone for piops yet.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Charlie Austin] “Except that you can do an audio only overwrite, just like any other NLE. Ya know, with detached audio.”

bzzzt – wrong answer. having to cut the audio of the VA clip completely loose to an unrelated item and losing all sync info is, tragically, a non-starter.

so if you need to write audio over the sync audio for doe reason, then you detach it with a keystroke so you can work just like you’re used to working. And then, if you want it to go back to being self contained, press a key to comp it. Real complicated.

so right – you’re now making effectively a nested sequence to try and regain sync. mmm. that all sounds aces charlie. completely on the ball methodology there.

and see – he said turning to the room of impartial observers in ranged tiered seating looking at the X proponent swinging his arms wildly –

that actually is koolaid territory.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

for sure – there are millions of brilliant things – and I don’t use it enough to talk as the world and its cat knows – but for all the brilliant things, there are some bananas things – like not being able to do an audio only overwrite – that just actually is bananas.

and the reason you can’t do it is because of the restrictive decisions apple took in the design of the timeline. They decided it was A-OK to have an outcome where the editor couldn’t do an audio only overwrite – that feels like a crazy decision – I’d argue if there was an editor within a half mile of them when they were working that out he would have been all ‘excuse me what now? we really like to do that you know.”

so now you’re left muting bits of clip audio and connecting the replacement room tone below – and, you know, that just sounds outright bonkers?

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Joshua Pearson] “Otherwise I do really enjoy keywording and much of the organizational side of X. “

it’s the best bit – it makes everything else look stone age. I feel cooler just using it.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

yes at that – i just found and read that exchange above about copying and pasting audio back onto the VA clip as a connected clip and then ideally maybe embedding that connected audio into the main audio about the funniest/insane thing I’ve read on here in a long time.

It’s a seriously rich blend of kool aid and stockhom syndrome, all polished off with that one dude going: – mmmm – “I find audio editing more elegant in x”

sometimes – just sometimes – the exchanges between x proponents on here do actually boggle the mind.
It’s just the way they’re all happily doing these completely insane things, and thinking its all breezy.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

there is a who cares aspect to this – apple instantly went from a 40% market key edit system to a curio.

it’s done no? I’m not wildly connected but i don’t know another soul who even paid for x. apple deliberately killed the entire FCP scenario.
X is as relevant as vegas or edius. its more insane than both of them. it kind of doesn’t mean anything. they’ve got a pages. It’s done.

apple internally walked off six years ago. it is nominally supported software inside a different company. FCP is never ever coming back as was.
apple simply aren’t doing this stuff anymore. this will never be what FCP was. Apple are out.

pride keeps their finger in but they alone decided to wreck it ralph by temporarily experimenting with an amazon magnifying glass on price for fun.

and then after they got 50% market share they got bored and dumped everyone away, making an insane piece of software they felt like with that stupid event project hierarchy that made no sense to anyone.

apple took an unannounced toilet on a lot of people there.

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