[Aindreas Gallagher]

come on bill.

the editing country club set?

seriously?

I’m not mocking you – I’m ridiculing your position Bill.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

also, for anyone who doesn’t get the rodney dangerfield reference – why haven’t you watched Caddyshack? Is there something wrong with you?

here then is an actor dramatising Bill, invigorated by FCPX POWER, in a confrontation with horrible snooty professional editors, those meanies who have always looked down on him – here, he gatecrashes one of the dinner dances at the “Exclusive Editors Country Club Set Club House Of Exclusive Editing and Dining For Exclusive Gilded Editors – Home Produced Vet Ads and The Lower Orders Need Not Apply”

here is a short excerpt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dgxzItaQzw&feature=related

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

God Bill, you kill me, you really do

[Bill Davis] “And difference is, by definition, exceptional. “
you need to look up the old dictionary there Bill, because that definition really is amazingly wrong.

Annywaaay, where were we,

[Bill Davis] “You may HATE that difference. But that could possibly be your own overly-turgid thinking in play, sir.”
No, I’m just of the opinion that it is poorly crafted software, made for the wrong reasons.

[Bill Davis] “If it was ORDINARY – like it’s four major competitors – it couldn’t possibly make anyone so angry. “
Hahahaha. No, dearest bill, but if it was somewhat crappy in execution and filled to brim with useless, reductive timeline metaphors, It sure could annoy a few people.

[Bill Davis] “The difficult truth for you is that I, as well as an increasingly large number of others, find the problems that you are so incensed about to be other than “mission critical.” “
Oh its a harsh truth Bill – you and the other enlightened souls evangelising this software are unconcerned with the old let me see what did I cite again..

Its buggy, bloated, its undo’s are unstable, the project file mutates in size at a whim, large projects are a no-no, the colour corrector is a joke, the plug-in architecture is brain damaged.

sure whaaat? would any of that stuff be mission critical? unstable undo, mutating project crippling project file size?
SURE WHATS THE PROBLEM THERE LIKE????? NAY PROBLEM AT ALLLLL…

you kill me, Bill, I swear.

[Bill Davis] “They would only be worth getting so incredibly pissed about if all editors had the same needs and wants. “
who wants to undo? or have a stable project file? Who needs all that old fashioned nineteenth century horse drawn cart obselete functionality? I’ll tell you who Bill – its those evil royal editors in their gilded cages of high level employment – you know the ones Bill, we’ve whispered about this before – the evil twenty thousand so-called professionals working in documentary drama and film. Its those romanovs Bill – they’re the only ones who care.

We’ll get them some day Bill, you me and the woman cutting her vet practise ad in FCPX when it doesn’t crash, fail playback or grind to a halt. You me and her Bill – we are going to change the world with FCPX – WE WILL MAKE IT ANEW.

sorry – lost the run of myself there a little – where were we…

[Bill Davis] ”
If your view holds sway, then people like me are just absolute idiots who willingly face the constant plague of disasters — day in and day out — and yet are simply too stupid to notice them. “

I’m afraid to say anything here.

[Bill Davis] “And your real problem, Andreas, is that even if every single thing you allege is true, FCP-X with the resources behind it still has every chance of turning out to be the SeaBiscuit of NLEs – the dismissed runt thats too small, too ill-bred, not “pedigreed” enough for the editing “country club” set “

This is where I fell off the chair laughing – so.. then,,, to translate Bill – what you are saying is that even if I’m right, and FCPX is a poorly conceived badly executed crock of software – it will and should win because of the brutish power of Apple, and that the ends will justify the means because it will get at the hated “Editing Country Club crowd”

COUNTRY CLUB CROWD? who are you – Rodney Dangerfield??? Were you beaten up by a professional editor as a child Bill? you really have some issues here – its ok if you need to talk about that, really it is.

God almighty…

[Bill Davis] “given this “perception gulf” between your view and mine, it appears that either I’m a complete idiot and extremely shortsighted – or YOU are.”

Bill, that right there? that is you, nail and head.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Bill Davis] ”
The opportunity migrates from the sons and daughters of the “elites” in the TV biz or in Hollywood, to the sons and daughters of anyone. That’s change. And pretty much the definition of “democratization.”
“

right because editing is a closed royal family. You’re funny Bill. And I think you have issues with editing in a weird way. Also – why do you think half the world is champing at the bit to edit eh? haven’t they got other things to be doing?

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

ok, because I’m lazy I’ll put up the reply I gave you in the below thread – we were talking about much the same stuff, and it puts across my point of view pretty well, your quotes are from the thread below this, but it works OK as a reply here.

—–

look bill, relative to this debate forum, my reply is that this is bad software made for the wrong reasons.

Histrionic defences of epochal change in technology and social organisation do not alter that fact.

[Bill Davis] “And next to them you’ll find a camcorder. A TV set. And a laptop computer that shipped with free editing software.

If you can’t see the change represented by that – you might explore whether you possibly have some “Industry-insider” blinders on.
“

I see the the same things Bill – but I’m not going ga-ga over it. As I said – you’re proposing the same kind of casual skills usage popularised by the desktop publishing explosion. Anyone could make a badly designed flier as a result, now they can make a badly produced ad for the dog kennel, as I believe your original example posited. Good luck to them. Thats fine – it allows them to make low utility stuff that they would have had to pay for – that’s dandy.

On the other hand you have the british director of… monsters was it called? pushed the whole thing out of the adobe suite. Got enormous acclaim and attention. And this after an astonishing track record with the beeb pushing out unbelievable post for historical docos.

So those are two things bill right – they are both dependent on transformative tool dissemination change. means, price and processing power.

my point is that we have seen this, in a very measurable way, before. People disinterested with typography remained disinterested by typography thirty years later. Kerning is not tabloid conversation. This is a craft Bill – I need to get this through to you. common society is not going to explode in a napalm fire of excitement at the sight of three point editing – even if apple has made a morons special mittens versions of it in X.
they could care less Bill – they have other things to do. In point of fact, a certain thrust of this argument almost has a weird form of craft narcissism to it.

What I find quite seriously annoying in the FCPX debate is the exceptionalism applied to this software – its just bad software bill. Its buggy, bloated, its undo’s are unstable, the project file mutates in size at a whim, large projects are a no-no, the colour corrector is a joke, the plug-in architecture is brain damaged.

And yet people surround this software with grand transformative arguments that it does in no way deserve.

This just isn’t particularly good software Bill, and in order to effect it, Apple had to kill an awful lot of very good software.

[Bill Davis] ”
But the huge change is the human expectation of ***access***
”

seriously? – and i’m getting snarky – but seriously – what? Its just editing software Bill – badly conceived and executed editing software.

It’s not the singularity.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

Well, on facts of its real world use, I don’t know of a single individual or production shop in London employing FCPX professionally. Not one. It is being completely rejected. And the reason is simple – its bad software, made for the wrong reasons, and it is unfit for purpose at this time. As you say, extraordinary things could happen. Or apple could just increasingly ignore it and then kill it in three years.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Bill Davis] ”
They are those dog trainers, small restaurant chefs, young women with a flower design business who are NOT calling a “video production service” to put their products and services on the web. They are doing it themselves.

It’s no different from all the zillions of people taking their own photos to sell their goods via ebay.

Once upon a time, they’d need a pro photographer to do their “catalog” – but times changed and the “catalog” changed with it.

Yes, there are still catalogs out there – and great pro photographers doing that work – but for every catalog quality photo there are probably 1000 “do it yourself” phototograhers doing a similar job at a functional level for smaller purposes

And every one of those “second tier” photos and video makers are getting better at it every month.
“

sheer brilliance again bill – you are shining with a special light now.

why does anyone need to aspire to the craft of anything? I can be a moron with an excel sheet right right? I don’t know excel sheets but that’s no problem yes? I should build dams Bill. Or maybe I’m a bicyclist and I can be a trucker right? Why don’t I try to put up brick walls? I’ll pick it up won’t I?

WHO NEEDS PEOPLE WHO KNOW HOW TO DO THINGS REALLY?

Bill, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart – your arguments are awful with regard to the reverence and furtherance of specific human skills.

I’m just sorry you weren’t an architect, and then we could have some real fun with the production of our buildings.

your arguments are the worst bill – they are literally the worst.

they denigrate any craft and any skill.

Your arguments are a complete and total disgrace.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

look bill, relative to this debate forum, my reply is that this is bad software made for the wrong reasons.

Histrionic defences of epochal change in technology and social organisation do not alter that fact.

[Bill Davis] “And next to them you’ll find a camcorder. A TV set. And a laptop computer that shipped with free editing software.

If you can’t see the change represented by that – you might explore whether you possibly have some “Industry-insider” blinders on.
“

I see the the same things Bill – but I’m not going ga-ga over it. As I said – you’re proposing the same kind of casual skills usage popularised by the desktop publishing explosion. Anyone could make a badly designed flier as a result, now they can make a badly produced ad for the dog kennel, as I believe your original example posited. Good luck to them. Thats fine – it allows them to make low utility stuff that they would have had to pay for – that’s dandy.

On the other hand you have the british director of… monsters was it called? pushed the whole thing out of the adobe suite. Got enormous acclaim and attention. And this after an astonishing track record with the beeb pushing out unbelievable post for historical docos.

So those are two things bill right – they are both dependent on transformative tool dissemination change. means, price and processing power.

my point is that we have seen this, in a very measurable way, before. People disinterested with typography remained disinterested by typography thirty years later. Kerning is not tabloid conversation. This is a craft Bill – I need to get this through to you. common society is not going to explode in a napalm fire of excitement at the sight of three point editing – even if apple has made a morons special mittens versions of it in X.
they could care less Bill – they have other things to do. In point of fact, a certain thrust of this argument almost has a weird form of craft narcissism to it.

What I find quite seriously annoying in the FCPX debate is the exceptionalism applied to this software – its just bad software bill. Its buggy, bloated, its undo’s are unstable, the project file mutates in size at a whim, large projects are a no-no, the colour corrector is a joke, the plug-in architecture is brain damaged.

And yet people surround this software with grand transformative arguments that it does in no way deserve.

This just isn’t particularly good software Bill, and in order to effect it, Apple had to kill an awful lot of very good software.

[Bill Davis] ”
But the huge change is the human expectation of ***access***
“

seriously? – and i’m getting snarky – but seriously – what? Its just editing software Bill – badly conceived and executed editing software.

It’s not the singularity.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

I know, I somewhat chose to ignore that point. it does.. look suspiciously free.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Jeremy Garchow] “Blackmagic is giving away a really powerful color corrector. Is that destroying a part of the craft?”

that more than a bit of a false comparison – blackmagic are still looking for quite a bit of money for the hardware interface and the full version on the suite correct? So this is a lite software release like countless others, in order to draw in the market? I don’t quite see what point is being made there.

Also, blackmagic at least had the good grace not to turn their advanced software into “My First Moron Colour Corrector – Now Featuring Terminally Stupid Square Colour Wheels”….

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