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You wanted Color Wheels?
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There are valid reasons for going vector over HSL. If you are talking about a key, then no, it’s not that specific, however, it’s much cleaner. If you compare this to Colorista III, Red Giant uses HSL for the secondaries (not the keyer) and it’s basically the same, with the addition of orange. So not really a true vector tool.
Speaking of shape masks, Colorista III actually dropped theirs, relying instead on the host. That’s because Premiere Pro CC now includes masking and tracking with all effects. In FCP X there’s no shape mask with Colorista III. Another difference is that Colorista III’s curves are s-curves, while Color Finale’s are multi-point curves.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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I guess I figured the color board had unlimited vectors in that you can mask and soften any color you choose. Not just 6 ranges.
Does color finale have masks? Free form or otherwise? Are they trackable? Finale looks nice, but isn’t it color wheels vs color board? Vectors vs a color or Luma mask secondary?
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[Bret Williams] “I guess I figured the color board had unlimited vectors in that you can mask and soften any color you choose. Not just 6 ranges.”
Watch the embedded demo videos here:
This will give you a good overview of using the vector tool in actual grading. Unlike an HSL key, you have control over 6 vectors simultaneously in each layer.
[Bret Williams] “Does color finale have masks? Free form or otherwise? Are they trackable?”
Nope. Right now no color wheel plug-in for FCP X has masks or tracking built-in.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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[Bret Williams] “Finale looks nice, but isn’t it color wheels vs color board? Vectors vs a color or Luma mask secondary?”
There’s also a LUT tool and curves. Neither of which are available with the color board.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com -
I’m there…except for the Yosemite only thing.
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We’d love to support Mavericks but the drivers are the problem. We’d need to purchase several Mavericks boxes with varying graphics cards and write custom patches for each driver and debug each one individually.
In a poll conducted 73% of FCP X users are using Yosemite.
I’m not saying that we won’t offer support but if we do I’ll let you know!
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The curves and LUTs are good but compared to Resolve where you can have clip based, track based and group based unlimited nodes, LUTs etc plus masking and tracking, stabilizing – it doesn’t compare. I noted on their website that they are talking about shapes & tracking in a Pro version. I think a lot of people didn’t know how to drive the old 3WayCC in Legend which had HSL qualifiers. I guess their approach is smart as it is easier to drive but of course the penalty for that is always the power that a dedicated grading system has.
I think if I were using X I would have this for making a better looking offlines if nothing else. I guess working in documentary I really need tools like Resolve as I found Color limiting sometimes.
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I get what you are saying about Resolve, but I think it’s an unfair and unrealistic comparison. Most editors, let alone FCP X editors, have no interest in using Resolve, nor have much of a clue as to how to use it once they open it up. The same was true for Color. Having a very solid grading tool that works within the NLE is still where most editors prefer to be. Then there’s the issue of real time performance, which is a balancing act. That’s pretty bad in Resolve when it’s just the software running on a standard computer. At least in comparison with any NLE.
Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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[Oliver Peters] “Most editors, let alone FCP X editors, have no interest in using Resolve, nor have much of a clue as to how to use it once they open it up.”
Sure there are those who wouldn’t have a clue as to how to use it. There are others like me, where it is just impractical, and not a good use of time, for the type of videos I make. My edits tend to take between 4 and 20 hours. Distribution is social media where my videos tend to get a thousand or so views. It simply a waste of my time to go to Resolve for improvements that would not drive more viewers to the videos. I have other things to work on.
Also, I have to worry about future accessibility. When you go to Resolve you to an extent lock-in an edit. I’m am always pilfering from previous projects. I’d lose my color corrections in those cases if I used Resolve.
This is why I like this type of plug-in. It doesn’t add a lot more hours to a project but gives you more powerful tools than the color board offers.
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I’ve seen the vids. It’s ibviously better than Apple’s tool. But I’m surprised it didn’t have masks.
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