You Tube…Please View Video

[Craig Seeman]

[Jeffrey Gould] “If I import the Matrox AVI I made back into PPRO, I do see some stuttering on the horizontal moving shots”

I’m beginning to think the issue may be on your encodes and/or source.

[Jeffrey Gould] “The uncompressed AVI is 4gb for 35 seconds, compared to the matrox one which was 483mb for 45 seconds. “
And you’re having problems with the Matrox one which clearly has the lower bit rate. Is this Matrox H.264 codec?

Edit in your original camera source codec. Export from Premiere in that timeline codec. Use THAT file for your compression.

If you source is HDV, edit HDV (Premiere should handle it) and export with no further compression (HDV AVI?) and use that in Squeeze 5.1 to do compression.

[Jeffrey Gould]

Under export movie, the choices are Matrox AVI, QT, Mircosoft AVI and uncompressed. Source is HDV, I’m editing in HDV timeline, but for export, the only choices are the ones above. I think the Matrox is MPEG2 I Frame codec. Is it normal that my MP4 is only 20mb for 35 seconds? that is encoded at 5000kbs. Video is uploaded to you tube, but being processed. I’ll provide link when it’s up.

Heres the link: its getting worse: but it says still processing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y31Y0NZveIA

Jeffrey S. Gould
Action Media Productions

[Jeffrey Gould]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y31Y0NZveIA video quality looks better, but still jerky. The HD looks much better. The scenes which are jerky, are all in slow motion…does that affect it? My pans were too fast, so I had to slow them down. 2nd time using the camera. I think this is as good as were gonna get it. I think the fountain shot looks good, so it can’t be You Tube or S5.

I do see a little artifacting in the source AVI, so maybe it’s just symptoms of HDV? Also see a little banding in the blue sky.

Jeffrey S. Gould
Action Media Productions

[Chris Blair]

For YouTube, I think your video looks pretty good. We see the jerkiness when viewing stuff we put on YouTube all the time. I think it’s a combination of issues and we particularly see it in video that has a lot of camera movement. Videos that don’t have it usually look pretty good if your upload source is of high quality and in SD or HD sizes.

By the way, our original encodes do not stutter…they only do it after YouTube has encoded them. It almost looks like they change the framerate, but we’ve never downloaded one of their encodes to check. We tested and experimented for a month (during downtime) trying to find just the right combination of settings to prepare a file then upload it to get the best quality from YouTube.

We eventually decided there’s a point of diminishing returns on YouTube. You upload the absolute highest quality file you can (in HD if possible), then hope for the best. Our stuff looks good in HD, but in their normal modes, it looks like dog crap. But everything we give them that has fast jib moves or medium speed dolly moves always stutters slightly.

Chris Blair
Magnetic Image, Inc.
Evansville, IN
http://www.videomi.com

[Rich Rubasch]

IMO HD video on YouTube is ahead of its time. Our experience is that there is a sweet spot for uploading spots to YouTube before it hits their compressors. If you hit them right, it does a pretty good job with the encode. I am glad the HQ mode is up and it is a great improvement along with going native 16:9.

But the HD has really limited potential at least right now. We have 2 G5 dual 2.7 Macs, an 8 core Intel Mac and a quat core Intel Mac. We have 10 meg download Charter cable service. Only the 8 core Intel can really play back the HD material with any degree of satisfaction.

I wish they would have stuck with the HQ in 16:9 for a while to let everyone catch up (while a bunch more fiber optic cable was laid) and then roll out the HD for 2010.

Sure we’d love to show our work in HD to the world, and our clients, but I don’t think anyone wants to deliver studdery HD samples to their clients, and that’s just what many connections will allow.

Rich Rubasch
Tilt Media

[Jeffrey Gould]

Thank you Chris, your post made me feel better. Yes, I usually do a lot of jib moves as well, but this guy didn’t want to pay for an assistant. This is my first hand held camera in over 20 years of shooting and although I have a shoulder mount, it’s still not the same. I’m hoping that the general public doesn’t see the flaws that we all do. Thanks again for taking the time to view and reply.

Jeffrey S. Gould
Action Media Productions

[Jeffrey Gould]

Here is the final that the client is getting…I’m only making one change before I upload to his account; there is one pan shot from the water view to the house, that is actually reversed footage, so I took the reverse off as it played more smooth. I’m still generally not happy with the jerkiness of the whole video. Hopefully the client will be. Thanks everyone for your help. Here is the link:

[Jeffrey Gould]

So that you can see what the H.264 looks like? I can understand the jerkiness on the HDV shots, but not the slow pans/zooms on the digital pics. I sent it to a friend who is not video savvy at all and she noticed it right away. If you’re willing to look at sample, I could email it to you using https://www.yousendit.com I know it’s asking a lot…let me know either way. Thanks, Jeff

Jeffrey S. Gould
Action Media Productions

[Jeffrey Gould]

I posted on Vimeo and got the same result. One seemingly knowledgeable guy said to use keyframes every 30 instead the 300 I had, would that affect the playback? It almost has a strobe effect. I hate to be annoying about this, but it’s really bugging me that non professionals can get better results than I can, not to mention that this a paying job.

Vimeo https://vimeo.com/4920626

Jeffrey S. Gould
Action Media Productions

[Rich Rubasch]

By any chance are you using VBR or CBR for the encode? We have found that in almost all cases if you can find the right CBR it almost always streams better in the end.

Curious,

Rich Rubasch
Tilt Media