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Activity Forums Avid Media Composer You have to upgrade to a Media Composer to get 2 rows of buttons???!!!

  • Oliver Peters

    January 21, 2006 at 2:30 pm

    [MPE] “Picking on Avid doing it is rather silly, especially when the other company does the same thing”

    It’s not the fact that they do it, but rather that it is done in an illogical fashion grown purely out of sloppy programming and sloppy market research. Restricting a tool is a valid product stratafication. Restricting individual buttons and UI information is dumb. One approach drives sales for upper-end products. The other irritates buyers and fuels discussions like this one. If you look at FCE versus FCP, there are differences, but at least same-named features act the same.

    Sincerely,
    Oliver

    Oliver Peters
    Post-Production & Interactive Media
    Orlando, FL
    http://www.oliverpeters.com

  • Tristan Tumble

    January 21, 2006 at 5:03 pm

    if you wan’t extra buttons for xpress pro….just click on the hamburger menu between the 2 monitors..and drag….it becomes a floater..and you can custom assign whatever you want to those buttons…..you can even stretch it out to go right above your timline, and it will looklike you have 2 rows…only difference is it floats.

  • Oliver Peters

    January 21, 2006 at 6:53 pm

    Yes, I certainly know that, but you missed the point. Also missing are two rows of info at the top. The argument isn’t that you can get there through a workaround, but rather that you have to use a workaround in the first place.

    What this argument really centers around in my opinion, is that Avid’s product model no longer serves the way most people in this business work. If I wanted to run the full Composer interface unbundled from the Adrenaline hardware on a laptop, I couldn’t. If I wanted to run it WITH Adrenaline, I couldn’t. If I wanted to work in a resolution-independent format, I couldn’t. These are issues that most of the competition at all price levels has addressed already. Avid is still stuck in the offline/online mentality and has structured its product line around that strategy. Part of the industry still works that way, but most doesn’t.

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters
    Post-Production & Interactive Media
    Orlando, FL
    http://www.oliverpeters.com

  • Alex Udell

    January 22, 2006 at 1:33 am

    Except that smoke is an editor and inferno a compositor…

    the appropriate comparison would be:

    smoke and fire

    flame and inferno

    Al-x
    ex-discreet guy

  • Tristan Tumble

    January 22, 2006 at 4:00 am

    fully agreed. limitations put on by avid on their own products is bad news.
    even if you go ahead and pay for the mojo, it only gives you one stream of uncompressed SD, and no SDI input. but i’m sure its just a code, the systems could handle more then one stream.

    and even when you dish out mega dollars for the DS, and your trying to conform, welcome to a new interface, that looses so much info from the offline….stick to basic cuts/dissolves..might as well be onlining on a FCP.

  • Oakmozart

    January 22, 2006 at 6:09 am

    Tristan-

    You’re correct when it comes to Mojo’s power being hindered. There was a crack released a year ago (just after XPro HD 5 shipped) that turned your XPro 5 software into Media Composer Adrenaline HD 2.0 software, with the only missing features being Animatte and Pan-and-Scan. I personally never touched the crack myself (it makes the software extremely unstable and only works with 5.0–which was inherently unstable by itself), but I know a guy who not only has it, but still uses it to this day in his business. His Mojo and HP xw8000 workstation can push 3-5 streams of 1:1 SD video with effects, keys (from SpectraMatte), color-corrections, and transitions, PLUS an additional 2-5 streams of 1:1 graphics/titles in real-time. It doesn’t drop a single frame in playback. If you try and exceed the above number of streams, then it starts to hiccup a bit.

    The limitation of 1-stream of 1:1 in RT are built into the software, and not the fault of Mojo.

  • Annaël Beauchemin

    January 22, 2006 at 8:50 am

    [Oliver Peters] “Avid is still stuck in the offline/online mentality and has structured its product line around that strategy”

    I often read and hear that Xpress is perfect for offlines, MC/Symphony great for onlines.. Xpress would be a great offliner, but it’s missing many *editing* (read: offline) functions. There’s no replace edit, no “extend” edit (not sure i’m calling this one right) and some others I can’t name (snap in/out?). These are functions I care to have when doing offlines, even more than for onlines. Every other editors of the price of Xpress have a replace edit.

  • Anders Haavie

    January 22, 2006 at 2:55 pm

    Mediamanager is fixed with the last patch..

  • Oakmozart

    January 23, 2006 at 5:44 am

    Xpress Pro has had both Extend AND Replace edit commands since v4.0. You must enter the Command Palette and configure the button layouts for these 2 features to be available in the interface (timeline buttons) or on the keyboard.

  • Dom Silverio

    January 23, 2006 at 5:15 pm

    I realized that AFTER I posted. No edit function… 🙁

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