Yellow Render bar with Prores in Premiere CC

[Cody Brown]

Thats what I did, as a I referenced. Premiere still shows a yellow render bar, and after rendering, creates files that are the same format that I am putting in.

I think Chris may be on to something when he said “somethings not right”

[Jeff Pulera]

Hi Cody,

You seem to have “renderitis”, a common affliction for recent converts from Final Cut. Unlike FCP, Premiere will make a best-effort to play everything back in realtime, so typically there is no need to render a timeline prior to final export – even if there is a RED BAR! I often have red bars, but the timeline still plays decent, so I just disregard. The colored bars in no way “mandate” that you MUST render, that is up to you.

If you will again read the link Ann provided more carefully, it does not say that Yellow areas need rendering, nor should you waste time doing that, since the final export using AME will just re-render anyways.

Just forget or disregard the colored bars and edit and be happy. Only if you add some effect that is so heavy that the timeline plays really poorly and prevents you from visualizing the final result, then you may want to render that segment so you can check it out before committing to the final output, otherwise no worries, just edit.

Thanks

Jeff Pulera
Safe Harbor Computers

[Cody Brown]

I see what youre saying Jeff and I definitely have renderitis, but probably with decent cause. I work at a post facility, and on my own, decent playback with non rendered material is fine, but in the room with a client decent playback just isnt good enough. So far my experience is that green and no render bars play back perfect, everything else drops some frames here and there and compromises the image/sync.

We are currently trying to transition away from fcp7 and I’m working on our best ways to do so, I’m really liking premiere, just trying to learn the guts of it and definitely appreciate all the insight people more experienced with it are giving, its such a help.

[Dustin Parsons]

Yeah, I’ve pretty much ignored the render bars since moving over to PPro since everything plays in real time. I’ve really only had to render clips Direct Linked to After Effects that have lots of effects.

[Mike Kelland]

I agree with Cody – when you’ve got clients over your shoulder you don’t want: ‘will probably play back in realtime’. You want: ‘WILL play back in realtime’.

Adobe need to rethink how the yellow bar works: yellow should be like how FCP7’s light green and dark green worked – i.e. will ALWAYS RELIABLY playback without stuttering or audio glitches. If Premiere Pro CC can’t give you smooth reliable playback without stuttering or audio glitches then it should put a RED bar over that section so I know to render it for client viewing.

For me this has been the biggest issue with my transition to Pr CC.

Cheers,

Mike

[Chris Borjis]

one thing I will add for the “playback in front of clients”

CS 5.5 was buggy as heck even with fully rendered playback with a quadro 4000

CS 6 did a much better job, CC made it sing as far as unrendered playback.

[Tim Kolb]

[Mike Kelland] “Adobe need to rethink how the yellow bar works: yellow should be like how FCP7’s light green and dark green worked – i.e. will ALWAYS RELIABLY playback without stuttering or audio glitches.”

Yeah…the rub here is that FCP just took anything that wasn’t a dead-on match for the sequence/codec and just rendered it.

Adobe’s software can only understand so many things about the system…it can’t account for drive speed or fragmentation…it doesn’t know what other software is running…and it doesn’t know at what point the timeline playback will be stopped and rapidly started somewhere else with little time in between. All those things affect playback.

FCP could be so definite because…let’s face it…many effects and clips that didn’t match the timeline needed rendering. Premiere Pro is designed to utilize the system to just play everything…and give some warning if there is a question whether or not it can…but to play out to the maximum extent that it can.

Macs that were fine FCP7 machines may or may not be good Premiere Pro machines for exactly this reason.

With QuickTime still being 32 bit (even on Mac, legacy QT code for some codecs is still necessary as I understand it), I’m betting the yellow bar is more indicative of some processing overhead involved with that adaptation whereas the Avid DNxHD MXF encode/decode is 64 bit and not dependent on QuickTime…hence no yellow bar.

TimK,
Director, Consultant
Kolb Productions,

Adobe Certified Instructor

[Austin Anderson]

Also, double check that your playback is set to FULL in the Program window.

If it is at 1/2 or any other, it will be making a preview render of that half resolution even if all of your sequence settings are dead on.

-Austin