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[Oliver Peters] “PT is the industry standard and nearly ever mixer I work with, who specializes in sound for picture, is very tied to PT. Providing a PT session file is often a deliverable requirement on some jobs.”
Yes, very much agree with this. In my field which is feature film, the lingua franca is PT and nothing but and mostly it’s about sharing PT sessions, which still makes a huge amount of sense. A lot of feature filmd eliverables are specified as PT sessions, as you say. Which means there isn’t really the choice to work in anything else.
[Oliver Peters] “I’ve sometimes had trouble with him reading OMFs out of FCP7.”
Yup, I’ve found that there are major problems with getting OMFs into things like STP and Logic – maybe Logic X will be better but I doubt it!
[Oliver Peters] “Other Logic users tend to be musicians rather than just audio post folks.”
I used to use Logic a lot for music then dropped out of the habit and now do it all in PT, which isn’t as good but it does the job. Again it would be great to see Logic really step up a gear, but the FCPX experience tells us that this is not a given!
[Oliver Peters] “I certainly know plenty of PT mixers who have a wealth of third-party plug-ins.”
Anyone who works in audio (and I dip in and out all the time) is by definition a plug-in/outboard effects junkie and mostly with good reason. What is certainly true though is that the Logic/STP/FCPX plug-in set is simply amazing value with a really high class sonic quality and a really deep feature set. This is the main reason why I deplore the death of STP which seemed to me to be on course to be the best/most cost effective DAW for audio post if anybody had ever bothered to take it seriously. Like you, I always preferred it to PT for speed and convenience and for the fact that it could do a lot of things a whole lot better. In many ways this is the saddest fall-out from the demise of the FCS suite, though I know there will only be a handful of people who who agree.
[Oliver Peters] “That’s certainly not the intention, but you do have a lot of upgrade variables. Personally I find the website very difficult to navigate.”
Sorry, but I’m just not as charitable as you, and having been majorly stung by AVID over so many issues over so many years it seems pretty clear to me that obfuscation of the pricing structure is one of their core business strategies.
[Oliver Peters] “One other comment before was about the real-time bounce.”
This really is a shocking omission at this point in time – and massive waste of valuable time. OTH there are many facilities whose livelihood is dependent on pumping out deliverables and who don’t for one minute begrudge the fact that they can claim that these have to be done in real time. That’s very good revenue right there.
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[Simon Ubsdell] “Yes, very much agree with this. In my field which is feature film, the lingua franca is PT and nothing but and mostly it’s about sharing PT sessions, which still makes a huge amount of sense. A lot of feature filmd eliverables are specified as PT sessions, as you say. Which means there isn’t really the choice to work in anything else.”
Definitely a strong point for all Avid products.
[Simon Ubsdell] “Again it would be great to see Logic really step up a gear, but the FCPX experience tells us that this is not a given!”
I suspect Logic X will NOT be more specialized. Although tracks may survive, it will certainly be designed to appeal to a broader base now that it’s been moved to the App Store.
[Simon Ubsdell] “Like you, I always preferred it to PT for speed and convenience and for the fact that it could do a lot of things a whole lot better. In many ways this is the saddest fall-out from the demise of the FCS suite, though I know there will only be a handful of people who who agree.”
I suspect Apple figures they rolled all the good parts into FCP X.
[Simon Ubsdell] “OTH there are many facilities whose livelihood is dependent on pumping out deliverables and who don’t for one minute begrudge the fact that they can claim that these have to be done in real time. That’s very good revenue right there.”
Well true, but a lot of feature post I do is flat-bid. The last mixer just groaned when I requested various sets of stems, mixes and M&Es. 😉
– Oliver
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[Oliver Peters] “I suspect Logic X will NOT be more specialized. Although tracks may survive, it will certainly be designed to appeal to a broader base now that it’s been moved to the App Store.”
Unfortunately I think you’re likely to be absolutely right about this – though I like to hope otherwise.
I think this will be another very interesting test of Apple’s plausibility as a supplier of products to the professional AV industry. They have such a great chance to build a really strong PT contender, but somehow we know they won’t be doing that and they’ll be heading for the dumbed-down route instead.
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When FCP was king (around 2006), I longed for FCP/Logic integration, akin to Rewire. During the first decade of this century, I was all about Logic Pro, although I kept the current version of Pro Tools during the same time.
Now I’m all about PT and been into it for a few years. Avid’s been including more plug-ins and that was a big plus, and it looks as if RTAS might see the same fate as TDM. Although I experimented with hardware i/o during the realtime bounce, my hardware wasn’t as good as software plug-ins, so that’s why I wholeheartedly welcome an offline bounce.
Given Apple’s recent track record and focus, I predict Logic X will be initially dumbdowned, a la GarageBand, a la FCPX. Conversely, being that FCPX is slowly picking up speed, perhaps the initial shock will send people to Pro Tools. Not an issue for a lot of us, since most folks are on PT already and PT plays Apple Loops, etc., whereas Logic might have EXS, but who cares, it hasn’t been maintained much. In other words, Logic’s previous MIDI advantage seems to have been matched by Pro Tools, and those with Rewire can use Reason or Ableton.
I also noticed Digital Performer is dual-platform now, and that’s a surprise. Will DP attract Premiere and Avid folks on the PC?
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