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X to the rescue again…
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[Bill Davis] “So that Apple went there nearly 5 years ago shouldn’t be particularly controversial anymore. Nobody smart copies bad ideas.”
Apple is smart. They copied some great ideas.
Discreet Logic (not Autodesk!) Smoke’s proxy system was completely transparent to the user, featuring automatic or manual generation of proxy media, quick and easy proxy/full-res toggle, and automatic access to full-res media in pixel-critical modules like the Keyer — all back in 2003. They added background proxy creation in 2006, and soft import of compressed QuickTime in 2008 (what FCPX would call original media, as opposed to hard-imported or “stonified” media, which FCPX would call optimized media).
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[Joe Marler] “Fortunately Adobe now sees the need for a built-in proxy mode and this will be added in a future version of Premiere.”
Future, as in the next upgrade due in a few weeks, not future as normally understood with Black Magic or Red delivery dates, or hoped for X features by users.
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[Shane Ross] “But I will give you that the proxy creation, and relink, is pretty slick and quick. A bit easier and more error free than Avid. But really….this isn’t revolutionary.”
Shane, I didn’t say it was revolutionary. I said it was “magic.” ; )
My point was (and still is) that moving from Legend to X has provided me with a large array of “a-ha!” moments where my capabilities as a working editor have gotten smoother and easier specifically due to the thought Randy U and Apple put into the re-design of X.
I never said that other editors don’t have their “points of pride” at all. Of course they do. Every advance in every software revision hopefully helps the users of that platform have an easier time getting what they need to do, done.
BUT – Remember the title of this forum. X was the singular case where it’s very ability to EVER delight it’s users was called directly into question starting DAY ONE. The forum name remains, so clearly the question is still up for debate.
So to come back with first hand experiential cases of happiness and delight specifically about FCP X is PRECISELY on topic re: the forum brand.
Basically, come up with stuff that AVID or PPro or Vegas do in a unique to them maker that is actually superior to how X does them (and I KNOW those exist) and this would be the place to discuss that “or Not” thinking.
I don’t think it’s enough to simply say “but the others do some form of this too” – because the premise we’re starring from here (again, see the forum title) is that the debate is still open and there must still be good reason’s NOT to use FCP X.
You and I and every other long timer here, knows the winds have largely shifted regarding X as a dependable professional tool, but not necessarily so for the youngster or transitioning editor looking for wisdom about X and newly arrived here.
That’s all.
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[Herb Sevush] “[Joe Marler] “Fortunately Adobe now sees the need for a built-in proxy mode and this will be added in a future version of Premiere.”
Future, as in the next upgrade due in a few weeks, not future as normally understood with Black Magic or Red delivery dates, or hoped for X features by users.”
This bears repeating, so I repeated it. 🙂
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[Herb Sevush] “Future, as in the next upgrade due in a few weeks, not future as normally understood with Black Magic or Red delivery dates, or hoped for X features by users.”
To be fair when it comes to popping out NLE software updates with staggering numbers of new features fast, Blackmagic is really the best. Hardware is always a tougher gig and all camera manufacturers suffer there. Both BM & Adobe make the other NLEs look fairly glacial in terms of updates.
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[Shane Ross] “A bit easier and more error free than Avid. But really….this isn’t revolutionary.”
Have you used Avid’s proxy mode in 8.5 and up? Pretty slick – one button – automatic back and forth. Works as advertised.
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[Herb Sevush] “Future, as in the next upgrade due in a few weeks, not future as normally understood with Black Magic or Red delivery dates, or hoped for X features by users.”
As a CC user I would love to have those badly-needed Premiere performance improvements within a few weeks. How do we know it will be delivered in a few weeks?
A year ago Adobe demonstrated some huge performance performance improvements in After Effects using Apple’s Metal API, and committed to delivering these in AE, Premiere, Illustrator and Photoshop. To my knowledge everyone is still waiting on these hoped-for improvements.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp1aPgLx4RQ
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[Joe Marler] “A year ago Adobe demonstrated some huge performance performance improvements in After Effects using Apple’s Metal API, and committed to delivering these in AE, Premiere, Illustrator and Photoshop. To my knowledge everyone is still waiting on these hoped-for improvements.”
You’re taking that demo out of context. It was a tech demo at a developer’s conference, not a product demo at a user’s conference.
What has Adobe ever shown at NAB or IBC and not delivered on within a couple months?
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[Walter Soyka] “You’re taking that demo out of context. It was a tech demo at a developer’s conference, not a product demo at a user’s conference.
What has Adobe ever shown at NAB or IBC and not delivered on within a couple months?”
A specific commitment was made to deliver — not just demonstrate — the Metal API performance improvements in AE, Premiere, Illustrator and Photoshop. That has yet to arrive, after approx. a year of waiting.
I’m not doubting the Premiere improvements demonstrated at NAB will ever be delivered, and as a CC user I look forward to that. I was just curious how we know that will be delivered “in a few weeks”.
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[Joe Marler] “A specific commitment was made to deliver — not just demonstrate — the Metal API performance improvements in AE, Premiere, Illustrator and Photoshop. That has yet to arrive, after approx. a year of waiting.”
David said at WWDC, “Adobe is committed to bringing Metal to all of its Mac OS Creative Cloud applications, such as Illustrator and After Effects I showed you today, as well as Photoshop and Premiere Pro. So we’re very excited to see what Metal can do for our Creative Cloud users.”
Note that he never commented on release timing.
Everybody says they want roadmaps. They want to know the future development plans for their favorite applications. Here’s a case where a company took a big risk to tell everyone where they were going, without committing to when they would get there, and instead of being the good guys for sharing information, they’re the bad guys for missing some commitment they never made!
Honestly, I think that WWDC appearance was a terrible idea for Adobe. What it was meant to show in the actual context of the conference was that a developer could realize a big performance gain from Metal. But there’s the Internet, and this is Apple’s conference, so all kinds of non-developers are tuning in. The headlines among the creative community were “Metal’s coming to Ae! It’ll be 8x faster!” I don’t think that McGavran’s presentation was geared toward that secondary audience at all (which completely dwarfs the primary audience). This was a great appearance for Apple, because it shows a major application making major improvements with a new Apple API, but a terrible appearance for Adobe because they really failed to manage expectations appropriately among their user base.
(BTW, if you’re interested in more on this, check out the responses from Todd Kopriva, then-Ae product manager, when asked specifically when Metal would appear: https://forums.adobe.com/message/8026619)
Now contrast that Metal demo with the specificity of this NAB announcement from Al Mooney: “Today we’re thrilled to be revealing what’s coming next to our professional video and audio desktop applications, with new features coming to Adobe Premiere Pro, Adobe Media Encoder, Adobe Audition and Adobe After Effects. All of these new releases will be available to Creative Cloud members later this year, and will be demonstrated at the forthcoming NAB Show in Las Vegas.”
You’re completely right that it’s not promised in an couple weeks, but historically, Premiere Pro has shipped a release in April, May or June since 2008.
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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