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Would like an objective comparison of Adobe Premiere CC and Avid Media Composer 7
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Brilliant.
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I don´t understand what you mean when saying PP didn´t have way of exporting AAF’s with synced audio. I´ve done it many times since CS5
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Sergio,
Did you sync double-system sound with your picture? And then you were able to export an AAF straight from CS5.5? If so, I’d like to know how you did it, because the Adobe people themselves told me it couldn’t be done (at the time). I’m not sure if it’s since been fixed or not.
Chris Conlee
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I wish you guys would pick this conversation back up with the roll out of MC V8 on subscription and PP CC. I am a college instructor, making the decision soon about what to teach in our Post Production 2,3, and 4 classes. I also have both MC8 and PP-CC on a new IMac and I am cutting a documentary with majority archival tape footage. The project was built in AVID but it is just started and I can switch to Premiere easily. I have cut half hour shows on FCP, half hour shows on MC a long time ago, and many shorter videos in Premiere all the way back to 6.5.
I felt sure we as a college had to go to AVID. We are a ProTools certified site because of our Audio Production program. We are a two year school, starting a Digital Cinema program and I want to give students the best tools going out the door. I will also teach After Effects, Cinema 4D and a little Maya in Post Production 3 and 4.
My experiences with this documentary make me doubt our need for Media Composer. Before starting this project, I made myself go all the way through the Lynda tutorials so I would remember MC fully. But it is just not intuitive. I am a left hand shortcut user but Premiere is just faster. No, Premiere hasn’t been nearly as solid as FCP because I taught it daily for 7 years at the same time I was cutting half hour shows at night on FCP 7. Premiere was constantly crashing on my high school students and FCP never did.
But now, with MC and PP running at the same time on my IMac, Premiere wins for ease of use. If there isn’t something I am missing about output, encoding, codecs… I may cut this hour show on Premiere and not feel like I need to get my college students certified in MC.Nancy L. Smith
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[Nancy L. Smith] “I wish you guys would pick this conversation back up with the roll out of MC V8 on subscription and PP CC”
I think it really depends on the goals. If you are teaching students with the idea of getting work in the film/TV/video industries or TV station news departments in major metro areas – especially Washington, Boston, NY, Chicago, LA – then they should know MC. If the goal is general knowledge and eventual work in a wide range of corporate and commercial environments, then they will most likely encounter Premiere Pro far more than Avid.
Ideally they should know both – with Resolve and FCP X tossed in there, too. Ultimately, it gets down to whether you are teaching specific, job-oriented software skills – or general concepts of editing.
As far as specifics, the biggest operational hurdle with Premiere Pro – that doesn’t seem to have been completely licked yet – is issues with large projects, particularly relinking. Some folks have good experiences and others seem to suffer. That’s definitely a real strength of Avid and MC. I’ve also run into issues with some camera formats that use spanned media, where the order of clips within the spanned file is wrong upon import into Premiere Pro.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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Oliver,
To echo David’s comment, my own personal testing and use of Premiere Pro CC vs. CS6 I noticed a considerable difference in performance of longGOP codecs such as avcHD and H.264 Canon material. I would characterize the difference in scrubbing (the hardest aspect of it) from ‘below adequate’ – CS6 to ‘pretty decent’ in CC versions.
When you consider how difficult and how temporally complex MPEG4 really is, I’m usually pretty impressed. Scrubbing = frame blending GOPs on the fly in faster than real-time
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[Dennis Radeke] “To echo David’s comment, my own personal testing and use of Premiere Pro CC vs. CS6 I noticed a considerable difference in performance “
Yes, that post was from awhile ago – as in last year. I’ve been on CC and CC2014 for quite some time now. Although Premiere Pro CC and CC2014 do very well in the mixed codec department, I tend to be largely against the idea of native codecs and prefer to work with common intermediate codecs. Premiere does far better if all the media is ProRes or AVC-Intra, than a mishmash of every camera codec known to man 😉 Not to mention, unique file names, reel IDs and valid timecode!
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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Olive’s spot on. If your students hope for work in the network episodic field or major Hollywood style feature films, the MC is the way to go as it’s still dominant. Otherwise he’s exactly correct, PP will do everything they need and they’ll be well served by knowing it.
Chris
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I know the strains of educational budgets are immense, typically disallowing the acquisition of multiple tools. However, if a graduate seeking an editorial career doesn’t have at least a basic working knowledge of the triumvirate of Avid, Premier and Final Cut, they stand a two-in-three chance of hitting a dead end. With that said, it matters far more that they understand story-telling, invaluable training that can be had using any NLE on the market.
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[Les Fitzpatrick] “With that said, it matters far more that they understand story-telling, invaluable training that can be had using any NLE on the market.”
That’s really the key. FCP “legacy”, Premiere Pro and Avid Media Composer share a similar operational style, so if a student learns on one, that knowledge can easily be extrapolated to the others.
Avid offers very attractive student deals, including subscription, so if they learn Premiere, but later pick up MC on their own, it will be a pretty easy transition. That’s for a student who actually applies themselves to the many tutorials and doesn’t just dive in assuming they already know how it works.
In that approach, bear in mind that FCP X is sufficiently different to not be an easy transition. It is very intuitive for many, but also harder for some, who have grown comfortable with a track-based editing model and UI.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com
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