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Would like an objective comparison of Adobe Premiere CC and Avid Media Composer 7
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[David Cherniack] “Oliver, that’s an inefficient way of working that’s out of date with CC. With CC you can work smarter than transcoding everything. You can transcode parts of the timeline in a specific or targeted way to a mezzanine codec (Prores or DNxHD) with any intensive added effects and smart render on output, in theory outputting as fast as a files can copy.”
I completely disagree. I am simply not happy with the performance of native codecs, such as AVCHD, MP4, H264, REDCODE, etc. I’ve tried it and it simply doesn’t offer the performance I need. In any case, for sake of this thread, the same capabilities exist in MC, PLUS the options to transcode on import or afterwards from the timeline.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Oliver Peters] “I completely disagree. I am simply not happy with the performance of native codecs, such as AVCHD, MP4, H264, REDCODE, etc. I’ve tried it and it simply doesn’t offer the performance I need. In any case, for sake of this thread, the same capabilities exist in MC, PLUS the options to transcode on import or afterwards from the timeline.”
By “performance of native codecs such as…” do you mean rendering time to a mezzanine codec or to a mastering codec on output?
David
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[David Cherniack] “that’s an inefficient way of working that’s out of date with CC.”
maybe – and forking this a bit to a rant – but the idea that broad editing standard operation is going to involve CPU hammering of non optimised avchd codecs seems a bit off beam.
maybe better look at it like a political party slightly at the fringe that needed to produce a compelling pamphlet for its platform? A timeline to end all timelines? that puts an end to the stupidity of intermediate codecs? that’s a really really good political platform for a party out of power.
still tho, you could argue that once that party got a living sniff of the centre electoral editing voter mass, due to actually getting the editor together – they pretty immediately struck the avid mxf deal, and fully optimised the pro res pipeline.
PPro is getting to be pretty class, and is by a margin easily the most interesting horse out there right now. They’re piping LUT’s back into the timeline and anywhere is having a seismic impact in London. The crude observation would be that Adobe are dumping valley sized resources into premiere like it is going out of style.
in scale terms – all they need to do now is throw a security bone to the bees?
You would nearly think that Adobe has forgotten that they have classically been pollinated by bees -as it were.
Adobe never struck IBM deals.Adobe has classically relied upon the deep sub structure of, say, a natural creative hive of practitioners. It’s highly consensual, there are six to ten million of us, and we have long standing emotional attachments.
But Adobe, one way or the other, are now involved in a financially motivated customer cull. At a very large scale.
the public 2015 numbers are what they are.It will be very interesting to see how that works out for adobe in the midterm.
you can only kill so many bees?
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[David Cherniack] “By “performance of native codecs such as…” do you mean rendering time to a mezzanine codec or to a mastering codec on output?”
No, I mean actual playback, scrubbing and editing in real-time while working with a camera-native codec.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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That’s far from my experience with CC. Are you actually running CC? If so with what hardware?
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So far my experiences have been with CS6 (installing CC this w/e). This has been with various 8 and 12-core Mac Pros with both ATI and NVIDIA cards.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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“in scale terms – all they need to do now is throw a security bone to the bees?”
I don’t think this is going to happen Aindreas, at least not now that I have been able to compare the CC hype with the bare reality.
I have been working with the trial versions of PhotoshopCC, AECC and PremiereCC for two days now. Just to see if we will stick to what we have (CS6.5) and gradually replace everything Adobe, or if it would be worth renting some CC versions after all. My conclusion: if this version of CC had been offered as a payed upgrade to CS6.5 I am sure we, and I think many others, would politely have skipped the offer. Just like many have skipped Adobe “upgrade” versions in the past years.
But I do fully understand now why Adobe has decided to impose a life-long paying update program on its user base. And honestly I cannot blame them: I don’t think many people would have upgraded to this version anyway if they had the choice. Premiere CC has got some minor attention, but after all that’s an app that definitely still needs a lot of improvement. Photoshop CC is not even worth considering from a video point of view and we have already started replacing AE by faster alternatives for our post workflow since last year. So for us (others may be in a different situation, which I do respect) it’s simply not worth it.
To get back to the OPs question:
If your choice is really limited to these two NLEs I would give Avid a decent try. I have been a very happy Avid user from day one and if it hadn’t been for their absolutely arrogant monopolistic price enforcement policy (now that does ring a bell, doesn’t it) we would not have switched to FCP 8 years ago, like so many people have done. But as far as efficiency and reliability is concerned Avid is still much higher in my book than many others. The new Final Cut Pro is an exception to this, as this is quite a different approach to many existing NLE workflows and no-one knows how far it will evolve in the near future. So I’m giving it all the credit it deserves while we already happily use it full-time in our broadcast post workflow.
The next 6 months are going to be quite interesting. If you feel that your business will not go broke by waiting another couple of months I would just wait until the end of this year. By then we should get a much more objective picture of where everyone is heading.
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[Oliver Peters] “so far my experiences have been with CS6 (installing CC this w/e). This has been with various 8 and 12-core Mac Pros with both ATI and NVIDIA cards.”
I think you’ll find CC much improved for playback of most (maybe all) codecs on the Mac and mostly a delight overall. That seems to be the case over on the PrPro forum…slightly tinged by the new FCP refugees who haven’t figured out where things are yet.
My personal feeling is that PrPro CC is by far the best release Adobe has done. They really stepped up to fill the holes in audio, mezanine codecs and re-linking…and made what seems like hundreds of other improvements. It’s now a mature NLE. That may not be the case with FCPx for another few years. NLEs take time to develop, though I think Apple has done an impressive job in two years. Then again, they had to, or the egg on their face would have hardened into an embarrassment for all time.
David
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Aindreas, leaving aside the financial viability to Adobe (as who knows what their figures really tell them), and leaving aside the many users who are unhappy with the way the model has been formulated so far (though I think their argument is more ideological than practical), I think the benefits will only become clear in the next year. The programmers that I’ve heard opine seem very happy not having to work to update cycles and if Adobe can roll out many major new features well before next June it will certainly be worth it to those subscribing. They’ll have the benefit of their use months earlier than would be the case in the normal upgrade cycle. If not, the whole edifice will be a bust and a PR hit to boot. In others words, like most things, time will tell.
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[Ronny Courtens] ” Premiere CC has got some minor attention, but after all that’s an app that definitely still needs a lot of improvement.”
Wow. We must be looking at very different versions of Premiere CC. Or, maybe, do very different things. The DNx support alone is worth an upgrade. As is the control surface support. As are the many improved editing functions.
You say “it definitely needs a lot of improvement.” I don’t think there is anything definite about that at all. I think its a mature, extremely well-thought out NLE. I’m glad that X is suitable for you for broadcast work; it still isn’t there for me yet, but I hope that someday it will be. Parts of it look like a lot of fun. Right now, for what I do, both Avid and Premiere are far more useful, though.
Oh, and by the way, I don’t know what you’ve been working with, but there is no CS 6.5. There is 5.5 and 6. I HAVE read that there is a cracked, pirated version of the software going around that has the number 6.5, though I don’t know if that’s true.
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