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‘Winning’ NAB vs winning new users
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[Oliver Peters] “But this toolset has and does exist elsewhere, though maybe not as deep in some areas.”
In some places, deeper, but with colour, they’re few and far between. And nowhere near the same price point. This is the main reason why with v. 15 I think they will be a major player.
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I have a visual Effects project that was shot on the Ursa Mini Pro 4.6k CDNG at 3:1 compression. No other NLE can presently handle that without transcoding, which was not part of the workflow for various reasons. So the decision was made to edit the VFx sequences in Resolve 14. I found it a capable editor but missing a few features compared to PrPro that required working around. V. 15 seems to be filling in the gap with most, if not all of them. But even in 14 I could do things in the color page with layered EXRs out of Nuke that can’t be done in the Adobe ecosystem, as good as it is.
David
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I agree that price is the critical factor. If R15 were available at $2K, $5K or more, it would never get the interest that it has.
Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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Michael,
I don’t suppose you have links to any articles/blogs about people using Resolve primarily as an NLE and/or DAW do you? For Avid, FCP X and PPro it’s easy to find ‘case studies’ (across the world) but even on the Resolve FB group I’m part of (I think it has around 15k members) almost all of the talk is about the grading side of Resolve (or tech questions of course). I’ve yet to stumble across posts about people using it for primarily NLE or DAW work.David,
Could you expand more on what you think Grant meant by ‘traditional’ NLE? Did he mean an NLE that was primarily focused on editing while capable of doing other things ‘good enough’ like audio mixing, GFX/VFX, color grading, etc.,? -
[Andrew Kimery] “I don’t suppose you have links to any articles/blogs about people using Resolve primarily as an NLE and/or DAW do you? “
These blog posts from Marco Solorio might help:
https://www.onerivermedia.com/blog/editing-in-davinci-resolve-1-year-later/
https://www.onerivermedia.com/blog/dcs-presentation-why-davinci-resolve-studio-is-our-most-used-nle/
https://www.onerivermedia.com/blog/fairlight-part-1-the-dawn-of-a-resolved-era/A bit older, but there’s also this:
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[Andrew Kimery] “David,
Could you expand more on what you think Grant meant by ‘traditional’ NLE? Did he mean an NLE that was primarily focused on editing while capable of doing other things ‘good enough’ like audio mixing, GFX/VFX, color grading, etc.,?”Yes, exactly. ‘Good enough’ in those areas is clearly NOT what they’ve been developing. He stressed the idea of creative freedom a lot in the interview and by acquiring and then integrating Fairlight and Fusion they added a lot of deep functionality to the editing process, Meanwhile they’ve built their own editor from scratch…not an easy thing to do these days…and succeeded. Does it have holes and incomplete features? You bet! At their pace of development how could it not? OTOH, compared to FCPX, the next most recent NLE on the block, whose pace of development is comparatively glacial, it’s amazing that it’s now as far along as it is. I would describe it as ‘mature’ and expect that a lot of large films will be giving Resolve 15 a shot in editorial. Will they still send it out for compositing work? Probably less and less, as they’ll do a much of it in Fusion. Same with sound in Fairlight. And likely they’ll stay in Resolve for color.
So, come late Summer, when they’ll likely release 15.0, I expect we’ll see a lot of case studies. I also expect that a lot of new ‘holes’ will show up. The real challenge for Blackmagic will be in a year, if they can resist conforming to expectations and instead of announcing killer new features, just concentrate on making it better as it is. But, then again, what could they possibly add on? 3D modeling? Well, best not to speculate. Nothing much would surprise me at this point.
David
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Most certainly will be using it a lot more – already use resolve and fusion for finishing our projects so this is a nice fit.
The way I see it, black magic are going after a part of the market that isn’t too worried about shared projects and defined roles within a team; they are taking aim squarely at the people who fly solo and previously relied on adobe cc or fcpx and motion. £300 for the full resolve license which also includes fusion light and a good editor and a top of the range sound editor that doesn’t require unlearning tracks is a massive offering.
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[Andrew Kimery] “I don’t suppose you have links to any articles/blogs…”
I don’t Andrew. I just don’t read or subscribe to any bloggers. I am talking mostly about direct contact with the pool of post people who feed work through to me. I’ve not heard of any Fairlight users switching from their stand alones but I have had some good feedback from editors who are enjoying using the page in Resolve. V15 might make more difference as it was mentioned that Resolve will be able to open older Fairlight project files, plus things like controllers and SFX libraries and built in pitch & FX tools are getting Resolve/ Fairlight closer to the amenity of the stand alone.
However I can state my own circumstance. I’ve just edited and graded an 84 minute 4k video wall that played behind the music production “A Tasmanian Requiem”. I’m about to edit the concert performance which I covered with ten angles and 14 iso channels of audio which I intend to mix in Resolve to 5.1 . Then my feature doco about the story behind creating the music performance will all be cut, graded and mixed in Resolve in 4k (UHD) and 5.1 surround. So the improvements in 15 have come just at the right time and I’ll happily do a write up about it.
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[Scott Witthaus] “OK, are you saying that Resolve and all it’s tools are part of the “Good Enough Revolution”? I don’t think they see themselves that way.”
Not like that. Resolve is not a product of the Good Enough Revolution. Resolve itself is leagues beyond “good enough.” It offers the flexibility, convenience, and low cost of a Good Enough product, but without compromising on fidelity or power. Hats off to BMD!
But the Good Enough Revolution is happening, and I think it’s clear a lot of Good Enough productions are powered by an all-in-one post-production mentality. One single person doing the cut, compositing, color, and sound? There are rare cases where that will be good, but myriads where it is Good Enough.
Resolve offers an all-in-one that ticks the Good Enough boxes across the major post-production disciplines. Resolve will support a lot of Good Enough production (just like Final Cut Studio did and the Adobe DVA apps continue to do with their faux all-in-ones).
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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At the end of the day ‘ free’ may be the toughest feature to combat.
This used to be AVID’s world. Final Cut Pro 3 though 7 gave the adventurous pro’s a good run.
Adobe Cs6 maybe? added ‘FCP 7 Keyboard shortcuts’ a small but brilliant trojan horse as the uproar over X.
Premiere has become very strong, very full featured – except for grading. SO..they bought IRADAS, one of the more stunning demo’s @ NAB maybe 7 years ago.
Out popped ‘Speedgrade’ good, but terrible integration. A slow painful death over the next few years as the promising toy LUMETRI appeared.
Resolve continued to add more editing, audio etc. and better integration into the Premiere workflow.
Lumetri continued to get one percent better a few times a year ..as we waited.
Resolve adds Free 4K up to 3840
Resolve drops price to $300
Lumetri adds nice support for Canon raw – and another few checkboxes to their color tool set – but they still can’t spell ‘secondaries’, easy tracking and a hundred other things the industry needs every day.
NAB 2018 Resolve adds Vfx…a trojan horse on AE….the light of a distant train coming down the track.
A pro editing solution without a pro color solution is not a solution going forward.
I have never used Resolve to edit, but we have fully integrated Resolve color into our workflow. The cost of 4 Adobe seats per month is something I re-visit every few months…the day may be coming.
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