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Will old formats Apple in the future?
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[Rafael Amador] “SONY XDCAM disks are supposed to have a 50 years warranty.”
Provided in 50 years any software to open one still exists.
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[Clint Wardlow] “[Rafael Amador] “SONY XDCAM disks are supposed to have a 50 years warranty.”
Provided in 50 years any software to open one still exists.”
Now you’re getting it. Or hardware for that matter.
LTO isn’t perfect, it’s a relatively temporary solution when talking about preserving history.
The nice thing about it is that it’s relatively ubiquitous.
Financial and data centers have been relying on LTO much longer than the video industry.
And as I mentioned, backwards compatibility is built in. Smart!
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[Kevin Patrick] “I had this discussion several years ago, different forum, with someone who I felt understood this more than I did. It was in that discussion that I came (or was brought) to the conclusion that you can’t get something from material when it’s not there. (or something like that)
If it was sampled at 4:1:1, you’re not going to benefit from capturing it at 4:2:2. The detail simply isn’t there.
Interesting.”
This is the plain DV picture:
This one with the filter and rendered in 10b:
Enlarge the picture a little and look at the silhouettes.
There is difference at first sight, and will be shows up even more when you have to apply more filters, make a Secondary CC and of course when you have to re-compress that again to MPEG-2 or the web.
You can do that look better tweaking the filter (I’ve applied the default) and with a good de-interlacer.
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[Kevin Patrick] “It seems to me, people assume SSDs are better. Better than HDDs.
But is that really the case? Does anyone know what the shelf life is of an SSD? Sitting untouched, without power for years?”
I don’t know about shelf-life, but the new & expensive SSD I put in my Mac Pro as a system drive only lasted 10 months before dying. Up ’til then, I had never lost a hard drive during my 11 years in this business.
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Flowmotion Media
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[Clint Wardlow] “Provided in 50 years any software to open one still exists.”
Provided in 50 years you will still be here to open it.
Do you expect to find an archiving format forever and ever?[Jeremy Garchow] “The Mythbusters have proven that you can get a shine when polishing poop:
https://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbusters-polishing-a-turd.html
You can put a shine it, but it’s still poop.”
You can sell shit better with a shine.
But to get that done you have to know how to do it.
To correct downsampling, you have to know first what is downsampling Jeremy.
I’m sure that you never have tried that (in 5 years I don’t remember you saying you were working in DV).Anyway, if I would have a boss who buys me every toy I fancy (10b cameras, Konas3s and 10b monitoring), I wouldn’t bother in trying to make to shine a shit.
Unfortunately I have to pay all my gear by my self and believe it or not, polishings poops I’ve been able to fraise a family (tree dogs included).
About the Discovery program, I will ask my five year daughter if she saw it.
Normally I have no time to watch things for kids 🙂
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[Rafael Amador] “You can sell shit better with a shine.”
Exactly my point.
[Rafael Amador] “I’m sure that you never have tried that (in 5 years I don’t remember you saying you were working in DV).”
It’s been a long while, you are right. I still have to polish shit, it’s still shit. I capture dv to 8bit (or 10 depending on the program) via hardware. I never work in a dv timeline even if it’s a dv program.
It’s DV no matter how you slice it. Sorry. Yes you can massage it and spruce it up, but it’s still dv.
I wouldn’t call Mythbusters a kid’s show, but hey, if you’re daughter and I like the same show, I’m cool with that. Great minds think alike.
Relax, Rafa, I wasn’t talking about your or your skills. Sheesh.
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[Rafael Amador] “Anyway, if I would have a boss who buys me every toy I fancy (10b cameras, Konas3s and 10b monitoring), I wouldn’t bother in trying to make to shine a shit. “
By the way, I don’t know what you’re trying to say here. Did you mean something by this?
How do you know who buys what where I work? Do you really want to talk about my employment arrangement? Seriously dude. Lay off on that shit. You have no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to this.
Sorry everyone.
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[Rafael Amador] “[Clint Wardlow] “Provided in 50 years any software to open one still exists.”
Provided in 50 years you will still be here to open it.
Do you expect to find an archiving format forever and ever?”The point I am making is that archiving for future generations may disappear. Do you want everything you have ever worked on to simply vanish? Is all your hard work that disposable?
Like I pointed out earlier, if you find a box of 50-year-old negatives and 8mm films in a drawer, you can still use them to make prints or show the movies.
In fifty years if someone finds your disc are they going to be able to do anything with it?
Yes, I would like an archiving format that lasts past the current generation. I mean we can still look at a 1,000-year-old painting or read a book that was printed 500 years ago.
With all of our technology, have we become the disposable generation? Is everything we create just going to vanish once technology passes us by?
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[Jeremy Garchow] “By the way, I don’t know what you’re trying to say here. Did you mean something by this?
How do you know who buys what where I work? Do you really want to talk about my employment arrangement? Seriously dude. Lay off on that shit. You have no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to this.
Sorry everyone.”
No Jeremy, nothing related with you or your company. Don’t take me wrong.
Is about you taking the piss of a format and a workflow that you recognize you know very little.If you would have been forced to work -long time- with plain DV capturing through FW and monitoring in a TV, probably you would have learn how polish that crap in in a FC time line and you wouldn’t be saying with that superiority “DV is DV”.
In this thread i’ve just tried to help somebody else with something that has helped me.
10 years ago I have, as you have now, the best gear at my disposition.
When I had to start by my self in this country the only way was to go DV.
Believe it or not I had to squeeze my brain and I’ve learned more going down in resources and technology than if I would have kept going up.
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[Clint Wardlow] “The point I am making is that archiving for future generations may disappear. Do you want everything you have ever worked on to simply vanish? Is all your hard work that disposable?
Like I pointed out earlier, if you find a box of 50-year-old negatives and 8mm films in a drawer, you can still use them to make prints or show the movies.
In fifty years if someone finds your disc are they going to be able to do anything with it?
Yes, I would like an archiving format that lasts past the current generation. I mean we can still look at a 1,000-year-old painting or read a book that was printed 500 years ago.
With all of our technology, have we become the disposable generation? Is everything we create just going to vanish once technology passes us by?”
Clint. I appreciate your long term thinking. Rest assured, there’s someone out there who wishes they had the technology to last 1,000 years. I know I wish I did.
I don’t think that this is a new problem.
The art that has survived has been lovingly cared for and stored, and perhaps a bit of luck. Think of all the art that didn’t make it. It was unlucky, or put in a place that wasn’t conducive to long term storage. A lot of great art pieces have been professionally restored as well.
For now, you have to pick a medium, know it’s limitations and take care of it. It is part of maintaining an archive. You also have to update it. Film is still around, but it won’t be forever.
And frankly, yes, most of the work I do is seen for a limited time and disappears. It is not deserving of lasting 1,000 years.
Jeremy
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