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Will old formats Apple in the future?
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[Kevin Patrick]
“Perhaps I missed the point to your post. Are you concerned that Apple might drop the existing firewire capture capability that FCP X currently has? Making it much more difficult to capture your old analog stuff?
I don’t think you have anything to worry about. Apple would never drop something like that. It’s too important, to too many of their customers. Just imagine if they did. You’d be hosed.
Surely Apple would never do such a thing.”
While I agree that firewire isn’t going away anytime soon, I wouldn’t be surprised if it did come to an abrupt, unwelcome end at some point, and much sooner than a lot of people would like.
If you don’t believe that, just read that same quote above and replace firewire with Final Cut Pro 7 projects:
“Perhaps I missed the point to your post. Are you concerned that Apple might drop FCP7 project support entirely when FCPX comes out? Making it much more difficult to work with your old edited stuff?
I don’t think you have anything to worry about. Apple would never drop something like that. It’s too important, to too many of their customers. Just imagine if they did. You’d be hosed.
Surely Apple would never do such a thing.”
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“THAT’S our fail-safe point. Up until here, we still have enough track to stop the locomotive before it plunges into the ravine… But after this windmill it’s the future or bust.” -
Our Canopus ADVC-300 works fine with FCPX. Connected the box to the Mac via firewire and plugged a VHS deck into the box. In the Camera Import window, FCPX correctly identified the Canopus and knew it was an uncontrollable device that supplied DV pictures.
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The problem of all those formats won’t be Apple, but finding desks to play the stuff.
Time to start to put things in HDs. I’ve already started with my more than 200 MiniDV tapes.
[Kevin Patrick] “Over firewire. Won’t that work for you? Obviously you need to run your analog device through a firewire deck or camera. For VHS, I use a full size DV deck. “
That’s OK for DV stuff,but you will only ad DV compression to any other format.[Ian Bailey] “Our Canopus ADVC-300 works fine with FCPX. Connected the box to the Mac via firewire and plugged a VHS deck into the box. In the Camera Import window, FCPX correctly identified the Canopus and knew it was an uncontrollable device that supplied DV pictures.”
The same.
That means to crunch to DV everything.
VHS and Betacam are compressed analog. Capture that as DV and you kill them.
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[Rafael Amador] “VHS and Betacam are compressed analog. Capture that as DV and you kill them.”
I’ll certainly breathe a sigh of relief when Blackmagic releases a Decklink plugin for FCPX. For our purposes importing VHS as DV is not an issue; importing Betacam and DigiBeta is however an entirely different matter.
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I had a 25 year old VHS tape that I had to capture last year. I stuck it in a VCR hit rewind and it snapped.
I opened up the cassette, trimmed and tapped the tape back together, closed up the cassette and captured it.
Try that with a bad hard drive.
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[Ian Bailey] ” For our purposes importing VHS as DV is not an issue; “
If is not an issue is OK, but people tends to think that because is already very compressed a bit of more compression won’t hurt.
VHS is already a mistreated signal; Low horizontal resolution, Reduced Luma, “Color Under” and all that “composite”.
The signal can even be improved on capturing with a good IO card (Resampling + using the “Pro Amp).
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[David Roth Weiss] “[Kevin Patrick] “Apple would never drop something like that. It’s too import, to too many of their customers.”
Famous last words…
George Armstrong Custer said something similar to his cavalry troops too, and look what happened to them.
“I ask you to please explain, how exactly does your post “further” the ongoing discussion in any way other than to add unwanted or unneeded noise and distraction?
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[Rafael Amador] “VHS is already a mistreated signal; Low horizontal resolution, Reduced Luma, “Color Under” and all that “composite”.
The signal can even be improved on capturing with a good IO card (Resampling + using the “Pro Amp).
rafael”For my purposes DV works fine for right now. I’m am not really looking for clean video, but for that smeary tape feel. However, I think a good IO card is in my future, just as it increases my options.
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Greg, I suspect that that was actually Kevin’s point. At least, I took it to be. A bit of the old sarcasm, there, don’t ya know.
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[Clint Wardlow] “I think a good IO card is in my future, just as it increases my options.”
And will also allow you to build a digital archive of all the legacy footage.
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