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Why would someone choose Vegas over say the Adobe suite…?
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I ran the test although I did not want to spend an undue amount of time, so I simply eyeballed the frame rate. I should say that I am running SVP 12. Without the GPU, I got about .4 fps with Best Full, and about 1.3fps with Preview Full. With GPU support, I got about 1.5 fps with Best Full, and about 12.5fps with Preview Full. My graphics card is an Nvidia GEforce 9800 GT.
None of these frame rates would be acceptable to me, and it is not a surprise to me that, if enough processing is added, Vegas will be very slow. I’ve been there, and done that. I will say that an increase from .4 to 1.5 seems negligible to me, but I do see your point. If I lived in the world of this test, I would join Nick in looking for a new NLE. Fortunately, I do not. I defer as much of the heavy processing as possible in the development of projects, and the only time I use Best Full is when I want to get a good screen shot.
I will say, however, that, if we are still talking about a render (meaning the creation of an encoded file), my pain threshold would be substantially higher.
Also, I am curious. How does Premiere Pro fare with this test? Is it significantly better than SVP? Is it enough better that moving to it from SVP is justified?
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[Russ Froze] “Throw in free PRO Tools for audio and you have a screaming fast NLE with some of the best high end tools for free.”
It should be pointed out that the FREE Pro Tools is not really “free”. It is more like a “free trial” because you have to start paying after you create your 3rd project and none of your existing audio plug-in will work with it. It’s basically a sales gimmick for Avid to sell more subscriptions.
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[Bob Peterson] “If I lived in the world of this test, I would join Nick in looking for a new NLE. Fortunately, I do not.”
No need to look for a new NLE. I get full frame rate 29.97 fps with Vegas Pro 13 using my Radeon HD 5870. That’s the difference the right GPU makes with Vegas Pro. My frame rate with GPU off was around 0.5 fps by comparison.
[Bob Peterson] “How does Premiere Pro fare with this test? “
On the same computer probably very different because Adobe has put all their eggs in the CUDA basket so you would want an NVIDA GPU if you are using Adobe products. I think they now support OpenCL but I don’t know how good it is.
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Nick, asking for opinions about Editing Software is like asking about religion. Guess which church you’re in right now?
The decision of which program to use depends on too many variables to be selected from other people’s experiences. First question – is this a career decision? If it is, then you probably should go ahead and mortgage your soul to Adobe. If it’s just for personal use, then you won’t find any other NLE that is easier to learn than Vegas. But, I am biased. Let’s put it this way, I can do any given project faster in Vegas than an experienced Adobe Premiere user.
All the NLE programs are great… and they all suck! They are just tools and in today’s world they all will get the job done. But as tools go, some are better than others for certain jobs. The right answer for me could be the wrong one for you.
I have been using Vegas since Version 3, pre-Sony. I’ve never run into anything it can’t do for me, so I’ve never had any reason to try other software.
BTW – most of what you hear from non-Vegas users is either very old information or flat out wrong.
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[John Rofrano] “It’s basically a sales gimmick for Avid to sell more subscriptions.”
Ain’t that just like avid, Thanks for pointing it out and saving me a bunch of frustration. And yup I told Avid they were free to be Avid Everywhere save on my workstations.
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if anything can be done faster, it should be done like that. i use vegas because it is the most flexible, most comfortable and most powerful all in one set i ve ever known. so vegas for audio and video, photoshop for stills and izotope plus sound forge for audio tweaking and repairing. i cannot think of a better solution than that set. and i am not using gpu for editing it is switched off because it is true that sony didn’t do a good job about cooperation with graphic cards. that is why vegas needs high end cards to run stable. so i set gpu to off. i have enough powerful cpu to fluently preview avchd even with color correction. but when i render, i always pick render with GPU because it really is faster, so why not?
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[Stephen Mann] “Nick, asking for opinions about Editing Software is like asking about religion. Guess which church you’re in right now?”
That may be the case Stephen, though everything I see is through my staunch atheist/Darwinian eyes and although some would try to argue that this view of life can also be defined as a religion, that’s a whole different debate…. but I’ve gained a valuable insight already so keep it coming guys.
I asked the question for several reasons and one motivation to learn as much as possible is because I’m trying to decide on the portable rig I’m about to configure. Asking those who make their living from editing video is a sure way to get a good understanding of what people use and why they choose to use it.
The question formed after a bit of searching and discovered that Adobe and Nvidia have seemingly teamed up to produce what seems on the surface like a very fast GPU acceleration as 4k resolution becomes commonplace.
https://www.nvidia.com/object/adobe-premiere-pro-cc.html
However, as I’ve learnt, Adobe premiere is a NLE for rent and although it may work for big companies who do stuff on a large scale with loads of money in a pot, it’s easily understandable that independent’s wouldn’t see any viability in renting their tools… so… if you want to choose to remain on this side of the Apple empire, the only real cost effective solution for those who earn a living shooting/editing video is Sony Vegas Pro (hope that’s a good summary)
Hmmmm…. do I sense room in the marketplace for a new NLE that is sold on exactly the same basis as SVP, slightly cheaper for that competitive edge, but takes on board all the things that SVP lacks (I have no idea what they are) and is in direct competition with….. ???
Nick… BASE1268
3…2…1…C ya
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The thing that gets me is that none of your existing audio plug-ins work. Pro Tools Free has it’s own ecosystem and you must buy all of your audio plug-ins from their app store and they only work with Pro Tools free. It’s a brilliant scheme to lock the customer in under the guise of “free”.
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[Paul Belter] ” i have enough powerful cpu to fluently preview avchd even with color correction. but when i render, i always pick render with GPU because it really is faster, so why not?”
Why not is because sometimes is causes undesirable artifacts. I wouldn’t have believed it if I didn’t see it with my own eyes but I had video that I was zooming into and with GPU some of the lines were very jagged and with GPU off they smoothed right out. So GPU rendering can cause problems at times. This is why 3D applications never use the GPU for rendering. They are all software based for rendering and only use GPU for previews.
~jr
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[Nick McMahon] “Hmmmm…. do I sense room in the marketplace for a new NLE that is sold on exactly the same basis as SVP, slightly cheaper for that competitive edge, but takes on board all the things that SVP lacks (I have no idea what they are) and is in direct competition with….. ???”
What does Vegas Pro lack for consumers? (wait you already said that you don’t know what they are). So if you don’t know what’s missing then how do you know that Vegas Pro doesn’t already have it? 😉 We already had a thread about what Vegas Pro lacks for Pros and it was mostly centered around collaboration on large projects which I assume you don’t need. Sony Movie Studio starts at $49.95 so it can’t get much cheaper than that (and Movie Studio is an extremely capable NLE)
IMHO, the only thing Vegas Pro needs is GPU support that consistently works. That and fix the things that Vegas 13 broke in Vegas 12 like Closed Captioning.
~jr
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