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Why the Magnetic Timeline is Good…
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[Joshua Pearson] “I want to cut it at the very end, I really would like that new little end piece to stay where it is and not float up toward the timeline”…. “i understand how roles does the same thing, but i.e. i like my music all to sit on 11,12,13,14, not checkerboarding all over the place like it might do in FCPX…”
Totally agree. And again, think Apple will come up with some way to make roles stick together. That would solve it for me. In your example, if the little end piece either stayed put, or just moved a lane or 2 but stayed in the music “group” I’d be fine with that. You?
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[Charlie Austin] “You?”
You aren’t talking to me, but yes.
Visual organization and hierarchy of audio would definitely be welcome. It would be awesome to be able to drag audio Roles up and down in the TL index, and have the timeline follow that organization, visually.
Also, better Role selection tools would be most welcome, too.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “but the ripple and magnetic timeline is much easier to manipulate once I got the hang of it, just as Charlie’s post alludes to.”
Yes. Next week, I’m on vacation, and it’s likely a bunch of spots I’ve cut (in X) will go to finish while I’m out. Not sure which of about 10 spots will though. So right now, because the other editors who will be here are scared of X, I’m in the process of transferring all 10 into FCP 7. It’s awful. Xto7 does a great job, and I have to spend a little time deleting disabled Roles that come over etc. That’s a PITA, but not too bad. The awful part is just working in the damn timeline. Not having things like clip skimming, clip soloing that actually works, no ability to move audio in subframe increments, no index, no Roles, clips crashing into each other, etc etc etc. on and on and on. It absolutely, totally, unequivocally sucks.
In closing, I’d like to encourage all editors (nobody specific of course… just generally) to stop being such lazy, whiney, babies and learn how to use X. You have no idea what you’re missing. Not a clue. Yeah, it’s different than MC, 7, PPro, whatever. Boo freaking hoo. It’s better. And yes, I’m annoyed. 😉
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I do miss some of the organizational functions, but I don’t need tracks to do so. “
Agreed.
We need a way to quickly group (without compounding) clips in order to lock a clip in time. For example, a song that has been cut down and has two overlapping clips with a fade-in/fade-out on the audio. In order to keep an overlapping cut point on two connected clips easily editable and locked in time, you have to add gap on the second clip and stretch it back to the beginning of the first audio clip… Kinda sorta faking tracks.
As for organization, I used to think we needed role buckets whereby any clip you add to that horizontal region gains a predetermined role. Now that I’ve cut more than a few projects with X, I’m thinking we just need a simple grid system to “hang” a clip in place vertically. Roles could then be added later based on their vertical position.
I also hope for a way to solo or highlight these “grids” (not tracks! ;0) ) so that you could use your keyboard to perform edits. The MT would still operate the same way. We’d just gain that oh-so-needed hierarchical organization food our editor brains feed on.
And yes on color coding and all that fun stuff. More more more. Can’t wait to see what’s coming down the pike.
Michael Garber
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Also away to just put SND FX on “track” 4 and they stay there.
Be able to checkerboard dialogue on “track” 1 & 2. Room tone on “Track” 3, etc.
This way when you want to send and OMF or AAF to Protools everything is where is should be.
The reason I haven’t made that big jump to FCPX for everything is stated above. Have things changed?
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[Michael Garber] “We need a way to quickly group (without compounding) clips in order to lock a clip in time. For example, a song that has been cut down and has two overlapping clips with a fade-in/fade-out on the audio. In order to keep an overlapping cut point on two connected clips easily editable and locked in time, you have to add gap on the second clip and stretch it back to the beginning of the first audio clip… Kinda sorta faking tracks. “
I think that being able to stack more than one clip in a secondary storyline would help here. It would be sort of like an uncompounded compound clip. Really, just a container of clips that aren’t bound to the primary except at the one connection point of the entire storyline.
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Yes. Was also thinking, since I’m in wish mode right now, it might be interesting to be able to expand compound clips in the same way you can expand audio components to quickly make adjustments without having to open the compound. This way you’d see changes made to the TL as you make the adjustments.
Michael Garber
5th Wall – a post production company
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[Warren Eig] “Also away to just put SND FX on “track” 4 and they stay there.
Be able to checkerboard dialogue on “track” 1 & 2. Room tone on “Track” 3, etc.”
Well, you pretty much can do that already using secondary story lines, though there’s clearly room for improvement…
[Warren Eig] “This way when you want to send and OMF or AAF to Protools everything is where is should be.”
With X2Pro, this is a total non-issue. Just tell it which Roles to include, and where to put them in the ProTools timeline. 2 or 3 mouse clicks and you’re done. even if your timeline was a disorganized mess. It’s awesome. Honestly that’s why I’m so annoyed today in FCP 7. Wasting time telling the app where stuff should go. Tracks suck. 🙂
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For example, a song that has been cut down and has two overlapping clips with a fade-in/fade-out on the audio. In order to keep an overlapping cut point on two connected clips easily editable and locked in time, you have to add gap on the second clip and stretch it back to the beginning of the first audio clip… Kinda sorta faking tracks.
Not sure I can follow you here? When I want to do what I think you are describing I put the 2 or more music sections of the clip in a secondary storyline and if you double click on either the audio opens the same it would open on a video with audio clip. I can then extend the audio of either side underneath the other without shifting the cut point. 2 things are brilliant about this. A I can line up beats in the waveform perfectly by just looking at them and are not restricted by frames! and B I can overlap the exact amount of audio (music) to make the transition more seamless e.g. fade out the strings slowly that are not there anymore in the sections of music I go to. And because all this is done in a secondary I never have to worry about keeping all the good work because something is shifting somewhere else like in the old days.
I’m with Charlie. Once you freed yourself from the shackles of laziness you’ll wondered how could you ever live with tracks. They truly suck!!!
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[Carsten Orlt] “I can then extend the audio of either side underneath the other without shifting the cut point.”
Actually I never thought about cutting music using components that way… Nice! More fun!
[Carsten Orlt] “I can line up beats in the waveform perfectly by just looking at them and are not restricted by frames! and “
Love subframe audio editing. Love. Makes things so much easier and better sounding. Music, Dialog cheats. Anything audio related requiring real precision.
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